Royal Guard balance consideration

Typical situations

with one high damage 15k - 25k+(Shield breaks too), Ranged-teleport-into-someone-over-and-over-better-than-snap, high aspd spammable attack with no delay, the server flips a two sided coin, and guess what? Armor/weapon broken on top of all of that. (usually armor since some have kvm unbreakable weapon, but sometimes kvm weapon isnt as useful to some classes)

An decent sized screen-AoE attack that does about as much as 30k+ when properly geared. Sometimes more sometimes less.

Overbrand seems ok, sort of. It's not too high of damage since its balanced by some knockback making them have to actually walk to you to do it again, unlike their spammable attack

What other things about this class do you people think needs looked at and toned down?

GM's you should at least make the pinpoint attack non-ranged.

We're already getting beat with the nerf stick in a few months, thanks.

At first I thought you were actually concerned with balancing the game, but apparently you only care about what you're dying to in PvP:

PPA's snap effect does not work in WoE. (Funny, you'd think they'd also disable the actual Snap skill as well...) I do agree the chance to break equipment is too high, however. PPA is also not ASPD spammable, and has a good 5 second reuse time. You also need to choose which level you want to use, it's not like everything magically breaks at once.

VP is the one that's spammable, and the damage is meh in WoE (and PvP if you're geared correctly).

Screen... AoE? Genesis Ray? It can only be used in Inspiration or Banding and has a long-ass cast time without the help of Howling. A RG should never get a cast of this off on you.

The no-knockback for Overbrand needs to be fixed to not deal damage for knockback. That or bring back knockback back. ...That sounded funny.

Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Reflect Damage...

Edited by Ralis, 01 June 2011 - 08:51 PM.

FFS leave pinpoint ranged. At least pneuma blocks it. SW would just get torn through instantly.

lmao ur just bad. gms should just give you god mode to male you happy.

and ur sad

We're already getting beat with the nerf stick in a few months, thanks.

At first I thought you were actually concerned with balancing the game, but apparently you only care about what you're dying to in PvP:

PPA's snap effect does not work in WoE. (Funny, you'd think they'd also disable the actual Snap skill as well...) I do agree the chance to break equipment is too high, however. PPA is also not ASPD spammable, and has a good 5 second reuse time. You also need to choose which level you want to use, it's not like everything magically breaks at once.

VP is the one that's spammable, and the damage is meh in WoE (and PvP if you're geared correctly).

Screen... AoE? Genesis Ray? It can only be used in Inspiration or Banding and has a long-ass cast time without the help of Howling. A RG should never get a cast of this off on you.

The no-knockback for Overbrand needs to be fixed to not deal damage for knockback. That or bring back knockback back. ...That sounded funny.

Honestly, I'm surprised you didn't bring up Reflect Damage...

First of all, you the only reason you typed "i thought you were trying to balance the game" is because when you saw that it was royal guard, and you are one, that you decided to talk trash subliminally.

Second, I dont die to RGs, i just walk around them while they run at 80% speed. Every other class dies to them too easily, while having their shields and armors broken. You're an assumptive mad retard who jumps to conclusions thinking im trying to balance the game around RK vs. anything, but thats your mistake.

Third, when your armor gets broken, weapons, shield, ALL three, whatever the hell happens, Vanishing points power that is spammable, doubles. Dont get mad like the suras who had their fist nerfed for a very good reason. Dont get mad just because your class got called out, and dont even dare think that im trying to balance this around my class. I dont die to RGs, but every other class does aside from Sura and RK.

Fourth, all ranged attacks except for acid bomb (LOL?) are useless vs. RG. So any class who has ranged physical attacks is useless on top of all of the above, and it needs fixed by making the good attacks of those classes, being turned non-range to help these classes not get 2 or 3 shotted by VP after a shield is broken. It's been said by any non-RG user how fast these attacks can be spammed, and if even DARE to try deny it, guess whats going to happen?

Denial will only make me post youtube videos of RGs and make anything you say be edited and deleted by you.

I would rather talk trash about Mario.

Keep losing to deathbound.

death bound blocks close attacks. not GoH.

death bound blocks close attacks. not GoH.

GoH is easy to outpotion vs. your weak sura who doesnt have god items. At least for my rune knight. Yeah you can get away with 1 shotting other classes with that skill though. Do I care? Do you feel good knowing you can press 1 button and kill 10/12 classes? Royal Guard laughs at GoH.

Royal Guard, reducing all long range damage by 80%. Hilarious. Overpowered.


Btw, smokie card > You. I dare you to use GoH vs. me. Youll only get away with it vs. any other class, which is still overpowered and requires no skill.

Edited by veteran2003, 01 June 2011 - 09:14 PM.

First of all, you the only reason you typed "i thought you were trying to balance the game" is because when you saw that it was royal guard, and you are one, that you decided to talk trash subliminally.

Second, I dont die to RGs, i just walk around them while they run at 80% speed. Every other class dies to them too easily, while having their shields and armors broken. You're an assumptive mad retard who jumps to conclusions thinking im trying to balance the game around RK vs. anything, but thats your mistake.

Third, when your armor gets broken, weapons, shield, ALL three, whatever the hell happens, Vanishing points power that is spammable, doubles. Dont get mad like the suras who had their fist nerfed for a very good reason. Dont get mad just because your class got called out, and dont even dare think that im trying to balance this around my class. I dont die to RGs, but every other class does aside from Sura and RK.

Fourth, all ranged attacks except for acid bomb (LOL?) are useless vs. RG. So any class who has ranged physical attacks is useless on top of all of the above, and it needs fixed by making the good attacks of those classes, being turned non-range to help these classes not get 2 or 3 shotted by VP after a shield is broken. It's been said by any non-RG user how fast these attacks can be spammed, and if even DARE to try deny it, guess whats going to happen?

Denial will only make me post youtube videos of RGs and make anything you say be edited and deleted by you.

1. I agreed with you on most of your points on Sura, and I've posted which points I agreed with here.

The issue here is that you're trying to balance Royal Guards based on what you see in PvP, not WoE. No one cares about PvP, and half of these things are already fixed by just going into a WoE map. I said what I agree and disagree with and gave you reasons behind them, which is more than you do.

2.

That aside, the only classes dying to RGs are ones that are low level or ones that have low HP mods. Guess what? They're also dying to your Rune Knight. Regardless, I've had about three times where I've killed people that actually matter by myself. Every class has ways to disable / kill us.

3. I've already said I agree that the chance to break equipment is too high. Not sure why this part needs to be argued. I'm not sure where you're getting the assumption that I'm mad, either... I'm pointing out the flaws in your argument. That's called a rebuttal, not being mad.

4. Dispel, strip / break shield, Manhole, Fiber Lock, GFist, Dragon's Breath, use Magic, etc. etc. etc.

Not to mention we also walk at the speed of snail. RUN AWAY.

Pick either the Offensive or the Defensive to nerf and I would be fine, so long as the other is buffed. You seem to want to take away both, which makes no sense, especially given Sura's Mental Strength skill. 10% damage (plus bonus from defense) from ALL attacks.

Anyhow, there is an entire post in the Renewal section concerning these same subjects, so read up.

1. I agreed with you on most of your points on Sura, and I've posted which points I agreed with here.

The issue here is that you're trying to balance Royal Guards based on what you see in PvP, not WoE. No one cares about PvP, and half of these things are already fixed by just going into a WoE map. I said what I agree and disagree with and gave you reasons behind them, which is more than you do.

2.

Spoiler

That aside, the only classes dying to RGs are ones that are low level or ones that have low HP mods. Guess what? They're also dying to your Rune Knight. Regardless, I've had about three times where I've killed people that actually matter by myself. Every class has ways to disable / kill us.

3. I've already said I agree that the chance to break equipment is too high. Not sure why this part needs to be argued. I'm not sure where you're getting the assumption that I'm mad, either... I'm pointing out the flaws in your argument. That's called a rebuttal, not being mad.

4. Dispel, strip / break shield, Manhole, Fiber Lock, GFist, Dragon's Breath, use Magic, etc. etc. etc.

Not to mention we also walk at the speed of snail. RUN AWAY.

Pick either the Offensive or the Defensive to nerf and I would be fine, so long as the other is buffed. You seem to want to take away both, which makes no sense, especially given Sura's Mental Strength skill. 10% damage (plus bonus from defense) from ALL attacks.

Anyhow, there is an entire post in the Renewal section concerning these same subjects, so read up.

1. Sura discussions have nothing to do with RG discussions. You agreed with me on suras, because youre not one.

2. Thanks for remembering scars I gave you.

3. It shouldnt break any armor or weapons at all for this class. at ALL. That type of effect, is ONLY fit for BLACKSMITH type classes only, because they cant get in range. Therefor, the mechanic class is the ONLY one that deserve to break weapons and armor. PERIOD.

4. Wtf are you talking about? The only class that has every single one of those skills at the same time, is the Game Master class. Players dont have that class as an option.

5. I was saying that one or the other needs fixed. Either they need to lose defending aura, or their armor breaking Bull-_- needs to go. Mental strength has nothing to do with any of this at all.

6. I already read all of that, and it doesnt address real issues whatsoever.
This post isnt about RGs one shotting anyone. It's about breaking their gear over and over while teleporting INTO other peoples characters with instant cast attacks while reducing all ranged damage by 80%.

They would be balanced IF:

They could not break gear at all whatsoever, because they are NOT supposed to be blacksmith type classes with a higher HP mod and ranged reduction.

AND: if they didnt reduce ALL ranged attacks by 80% (acid bomb being the only exception for whatever retarded reason)


This 80% reduction is meant for monsters slaying support, and is from out dated pre-renewal mechanics, and is very unbalanced in pve and in pvp/woe when COUPLED WITH the above.

Edited by veteran2003, 01 June 2011 - 11:04 PM.

1. Sura discussions have nothing to do with RG discussions. You agreed with me on suras, because youre not one.

2.

Spoiler

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Thanks for remembering scars I gave you.

3. It shouldnt break any armor or weapons at all for this class. at ALL. That type of effect, is ONLY fit for BLACKSMITH type classes only, because they cant get in range. Therefor, the mechanic class is the ONLY one that deserve to break weapons and armor. PERIOD.

4. Wtf are you talking about? The only class that has every single one of those skills at the same time, is the Game Master class. Players dont have that class as an option.

5. I was saying that one or the other needs fixed. Either they need to lose defending aura, or their armor breaking Bull-_- needs to go. Mental strength has nothing to do with any of this at all.

I already read all of that, and it doesnt address real issues whatsoever.

1. I agreed with you on Suras because everyone knows they've been overpowered for a long, long time. I do not agree with most of your points on RGs because they are ill-founded and only draw conclusions from PvP.

2. Scars? You Clashing'd me after missing four times while I was sitting and talking to people. That's not a win.

3. There are weapons that let you break equipment. Several other classes also have skills that break equipment. Several other classes also have skills that divest equipment. Most people are now using unbreakable gear or FCPing anyways, but I've already said the rate is too high, just as it is for virtually every class.

4. The point was that every class has at least one skill to disable or get past Defending Aura, not that they need to have all of them. Sorry for not making that clear enough to you.

5. It has everything to do with it. If you want the class that was supposed to tank to tank, the class that was meant to kill should also not be able to tank. Speciality classes should be good at one specific thing, not good at them all.

1. I agreed with you on Suras because everyone knows they've been overpowered for a long, long time. I do not agree with most of your points on RGs because they are ill-founded and only draw conclusions from PvP.

2. Scars? You Clashing'd me after missing four times while I was sitting and talking to people. That's not a win.

3. There are weapons that let you break equipment. Several other classes also have skills that break equipment. Several other classes also have skills that divest equipment. Most people are now using unbreakable gear or FCPing anyways, but I've already said the rate is too high, just as it is for virtually every class.

4. The point was that every class has at least one skill to disable or get past Defending Aura, not that they need to have all of them. Sorry for not making that clear enough to you.

5. It has everything to do with it. If you want the class that was supposed to tank to tank, the class that was meant to kill should also not be able to tank. Speciality classes should be good at one specific thing, not good at them all.

1. You only repeated yourself like in your first post. Get stumped.

2. You werent sitting, you were trying to attack, and got caught losing. Your screenshot shows like 8 people helping you. Thats not a win.

3. So what if there are weapons that let you break equipment? Theres not a weapon that lets you break shields you numbskull. Even still, comparing those weak weapons with a VERY low chance to break, to a Royal Guard chance is idiotic of you.

4. It shouldnt take more than 4 people dispelling and using multiple skills to kill a royal guard. end of story.

5. No. Royal Guards dont just tank and you and everyone else knows that. They break armor shields and weapons, while doing VERY FAST spammable damage. Refer to first post and read it about 159 times so that it sinks into your brain. You do have one dont you?

6. Bringing up mailbreaker/swordbreaker is about as stupid as saying "If you dont want your armor to break put a golem card in it"

Edited by veteran2003, 01 June 2011 - 11:26 PM.

1. You only repeated yourself like in your first post. Get stumped.

2. You werent sitting, you were trying to attack, and got caught losing. Your screenshot shows like 8 people helping you. Thats not a win.

3. So what if there are weapons that let you break equipment? Theres not a weapon that lets you break shields you numbskull.

4. It shouldnt take more than 4 people dispelling and using multiple skills to kill a royal guard. end of story.

5. No. Royal Guards dont just tank and you and everyone else knows that. They break armor shields and weapons, while doing VERY FAST spammable damage. Refer to first post and read it about 159 times so that it sinks into your brain. You do have one dont you?

1. Because apparently you didn't get the message the first time. I'm already stumped enough by your invalid / personal arguments, thanks.

2. What screenshot are you even looking at? o_O; I see people doing nothing in mine. In yours I was saying something, so I'm not sure how I was attacking while typing. I wish I had five hands, though.

3. Alright, so now you've changed your argument? We can break Weapons and Armor, but not Shields? I replied about Weapons and Armor, since that's what you talked about... I've seen nothing specifically about Shields thus far. I can see that as a valid point, since there are very few skills (if any) that can break Shields.

4. It seems to take more than one person to kill a Rune Knight, Sura, Sorcerer, etc... Why not a Royal Guard? WoE is about teamwork anyways, but it is very possible for any class to single-handedly disable a Royal Guard.

5. Was that a reply to my last post, because it didn't have anything to do with what I said.

1. Because apparently you didn't get the message the first time. I'm already stumped enough by your invalid / personal arguments, thanks.

2. What screenshot are you even looking at? o_O; I see people doing nothing in mine. In yours I was saying something, so I'm not sure how I was attacking while typing. I wish I had five hands, though.

3. Alright, so now you've changed your argument? We can break Weapons and Armor, but not Shields? I replied about Weapons and Armor, since that's what you talked about... I've seen nothing specifically about Shields thus far. I can see that as a valid point, since there are very few skills (if any) that can break Shields.

4. It seems to take more than one person to kill a Rune Knight, Sura, Sorcerer, etc... Why not a Royal Guard? WoE is about teamwork anyways, but it is very possible for any class to single-handedly disable a Royal Guard.

5. Was that a reply to my last post, because it didn't have anything to do with what I said.

1. You got personal first, by posting screenshots that had nothing to do with the subject, further proving my point that youre just talking out of your ignorance.

2. I trashed you one on one. You were running after me trying to pinpoint attack me while spamming your "Fail Again" shortcut macro, only to die to an extremely low level RK

3. Breaking ANY gear at all is unwarranted on a so called "tank" or "guard" class, since this "tank" class is doing ridiculous spammable high dps ranged attacks that break all 3.

4. No.

5. This is a reply. The other one was for slamming common sense into the small area of your cranium.

Edited by veteran2003, 02 June 2011 - 12:14 AM.

I know why you make another useless & pointless thread about nerfs, sleep with it, wait til kRO updates and the GMs are already working... /meh

Maybe changing this thread's title to "My RK envy RG class" would be great...

And you don't know anything about RG class, accept what your class can do and think how you will be more useful, running away with bwings isnt giving you any RO knowledge... Eherm* sniff* cough* I mean the game... /e5

Simply saying; Dont QQ for yourself to get buffed when your getting insecure or envy other class... GMs will just ignore... Enough said... /meh

Edited by HayrohsLegacy, 02 June 2011 - 02:14 AM.

You couldn't kill me because youre garbage. The video shows you spamming potions which doesnt involve skill, and doing nothing but running and STRUGGLING around an empty kvm room while NOT killing me. After the video I post, the Royal guards will be nerfed.

Keep making videos of not killing people after chasing them around 10 minutes while wearing your peco band.

"You are so funny, besides why you care about the game? You have your bwings and (maybe alt+f4 can help) You even dont WOE, bot PVM, Kill Steal, spam ppl crappy PMs and troll PVP with ur lame RK"

We ppl in forums are "thinking" on how to make renewal better, not like you posting lots of non-sense here and cry like a baby arguing w/ppl...

Everyone knows what a-_- and lame troller you are... /sigh

Game masters, view this video in 480p fullscreen mode on youtube, and read the original post very carefully. I will be posting on your facebook.

Edited by veteran2003, 02 June 2011 - 02:51 AM.

Game masters, view this video in 480p fullscreen mode on youtube, and read the original post very carefully. I will be posting on your facebook.

Sad before even you make this video, for ages "these things" are already known by GMs and everyone, what you are just tryin to prove here is "you're so scared to die with RGs" and again for the 100th time, cry all you want or just quit game coz you are just like other ppl predicting the end of the world with crappy prophecies.

Poor Lazarus, he cant take anymore so much bullies when Renewal started.

GMs & Gravity would not change anything for just QQing issues...

Thanks for another "fan-made vid" you just made for my RG I do appreciate it /thx

Edited by HayrohsLegacy, 02 June 2011 - 03:11 AM.

i don't know why people even reply to these thread and i dnt even know why i am replying to it either. its so funny how laz brags about HAHA U CANT KILL ME. lol that video proves that all he ever do is run away. lol @cloaking garment. damn i guess i was wrong about laz being bad, laz is really good.................... at running away

Sad before even you make this video, for ages "these things" are already known by GMs and everyone, what you are just tryin to prove here is "you're so scared to die with RGs" and again for the 100th time, cry all you want or just quit game coz you are just like other ppl predicting the end of the world with crappy prophecies.

Poor Lazarus, he cant take anymore so much bullies when Renewal started.

GMs & Gravity would not change anything for just QQing issues...

Thanks for another "fan-made vid" you just made for my RG I do appreciate it /thx

You're going to be suspended from the forums if you keep it up. Gravity is going to balance this game and there's nothing you can do about it.

Envious of RGs?? LMFAO dont make me puke in your face. Your voice sounds like a dying Elk, and you should sing an emo song to yourself as you die to deathbound. When you sing you sound like a whining throat-kicked elk.

thanks for losing to me. Sleep on it.

Edited by veteran2003, 02 June 2011 - 03:19 AM.

i don't know why people even reply to these thread and i dnt even know why i am replying to it either. its so funny how laz brags about HAHA U CANT KILL ME. lol that video proves that all he ever do is run away. lol @cloaking garment. damn i guess i was wrong about laz being bad, laz is really good.................... at running away

Unifan is still mad about the kvm nerf. owned.

Edited by veteran2003, 02 June 2011 - 03:21 AM.

i don't know why people even reply to these thread and i dnt even know why i am replying to it either. its so funny how laz brags about HAHA U CANT KILL ME. lol that video proves that all he ever do is run away. lol @cloaking garment. damn i guess i was wrong about laz being bad, laz is really good.................... at running away

Get suspended from the forums more for cussing about losing and how people hate you, while I use smokie card vs. your g fists.

all ive seen so far is the same screenshot over and over from laz

all ive seen so far is the same screenshot over and over from laz

It's all thats needed to put him in his place, since anytime he tries to say he wins against me, the screenshot is a reminder that he doesnt. How was your suspension?

Get suspended from the forums more for cussing about losing and how people hate you, while I use smokie card vs. your g fists.

didn't you say i was going to get suspended on your last thread that get locks down? i like see you try again, and maybe this will get locked down too, if you keep your trash up xDD