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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:24 PM
Following the disable of ice wall on MvPs because it made them dumb and without risk to kill, I think you should disable shield reflect. It's pretty retarded to kill mvps solely by eske+shield reflect and spamming tokens.
If this isn't done, you should probably put ice wall back on MvP maps.
Edited by Hrishi, 02 July 2013 - 03:03 PM.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:26 PM
I'd rather ice wall than reflect tbh, at least with ice wall it takes some amount of effort :-)
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:26 PM
If reflect isn't taken off, Ice wall should be put back onto mvp maps. What do you think?
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:28 PM
Agreed.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:36 PM
Was it a rumor or didn't they at one time limit reflect damage to the amount of HP the character has?
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:39 PM
That is what it is currently like in renewal.
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:47 PM
The main reason Ice Wall got removed IIRC was skill abuse to grief people, same as Bio3. I really dont like this reasoning, although with how overworked the support staff are right now it's hard to say how interesting things would get if certain players were given the opportunity to endlessly grief others again.
I dont think it was entirely a nerf to make people killing things harder (although for some of the harder MVPs this may have been the case) but there was a small group of people teleporting anything they were being comped on early on in Classic.
I dont mind either being in honestly, Ice Wall makes things easier to kill/setup and prevents multiple time consuming resets to get things done. It's a little silly that you can take a few boxes of tokens and kill stuff though.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:05 AM
but gravity makes money off of spamming res tokens
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:17 AM
but gravity makes money off of spamming res tokens
lol they need money to run this server
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 03:51 AM
Does not matter if Shield reflect is disabled, MVP cards like Maya and Orc Lord or even High Orc/Valk Mant will still work even without the SR skill.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:08 AM
Does not matter if Shield reflect is disabled, MVP cards like Maya and Orc Lord or even High Orc/Valk Mant will still work even without the SR skill.
Valk Mant is useless because you can't equip the whole BG-Set then.
High Orc Card is 5% only, which is "nice2have" but not required.
Orc Lord Card is pretty bad because most mvps shred your armor frequently - and you'd have to slot it into a Acc-Bound BG-Armor.
Maya again being an mvp card - and slotting that one into a Strong Shield is like...uhm, yeah. Wasting it mostly.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 04:38 AM
Does not matter if Shield reflect is disabled, MVP cards like Maya and Orc Lord or even High Orc/Valk Mant will still work even without the SR skill.
i wonder how much tokens you'd use up to kill VR with no reflect skill and bg set. just valk mant+eske 
lmao gluck with that.
Valk Mant is useless because you can't equip the whole BG-Set then.
High Orc Card is 5% only, which is "nice2have" but not required.
Orc Lord Card is pretty bad because most mvps shred your armor frequently - and you'd have to slot it into a Acc-Bound BG-Armor.
Maya again being an mvp card - and slotting that one into a Strong Shield is like...uhm, yeah. Wasting it mostly.
VA with orc lord
strong shield with high orc/strong shield with maya
+10 valk mant
no reflect skill required!! i bet that is Nhoj's reflect set!
....... *facepalm*
Edited by 1756492860, 03 July 2013 - 04:41 AM.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:22 AM
Most MVPs shred your armor?
...Umm, Drake breaks your armor... What else?
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:25 AM
Most MVPs shred your armor?
...Umm, Drake breaks your armor... What else?
Unsealed bapho is the only one where it matters I think.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:26 AM
I've already expressed this once and I'll say it again.
If they put icewall in at least there can be competition. I'm sure that if IW cost kp per cast, they'd enable it in a heartbeat :3
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:26 AM
Or just limit it by the caster's HP like they do with Renewal? It would make it less broken for solo MVPing. I remember when Ralis (His Pally), his friend (Linker or Priest), and I (Linker or Priest) used to do it all the time back then before Renewal hit the servers. I have to admit that it's pretty dumb even without sieg tokens.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:27 AM
Or just limit it by the caster's HP like they do with Renewal? It would make it less broken for solo MVPing. I remember when Ralis (His Pally), his friend (Linker or Priest), and I (Linker or Priest) used to do it all the time back then before Renewal hit the servers. I have to admit that it's pretty dumb even without sieg tokens.
With eske and bg set and +% damage cards once valk powers up she dies in seconds p much lol. It's totally mindless
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:30 AM
With eske and bg set and +% damage cards once valk powers up she dies in seconds p much lol. It's totally mindless
I saw this first hand. The same goes for Beelz once he transforms and Ifrit when he EQ's. God...the damage cap when he EQ'ed in Power Up was just...
Edited by GuardianTK, 03 July 2013 - 07:31 AM.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:32 AM
If you have a maya + magic reflect + bg set and catch bee/ifrit alone and eske'd and they EQ they 1 shot themselves too...
Edited by Viri, 03 July 2013 - 07:32 AM.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:37 AM
If you have a maya + magic reflect + bg set and catch bee/ifrit alone and eske'd and they EQ they 1 shot themselves too...
^_^
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:41 AM
I can't wait to see how the first bunch of people clear ET. We did it a few times way back in the day with no gtb and only 2 grs. We had 2 belts tho at that point...
And no reflecting.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:42 AM
Maya has been really useful at Ifrit tbh. Even if it doesn't reflect enough damage sometimes (if people are still alive) it makes me immune to earthquake!
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 07:54 AM
I wouldn't let Valhalla reflect in ET anyway! I've never reflected in ET and I don't plan on starting now!
Our completely newbie party who have only ever been to ET twice are making it safely to beez with only 2 HPs, so I don't think clearing it is going to be a problem. Finding a scholar that doesn't disconnect for the first 50 floors is the thing, then its clean sailing. ET isn't hard.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:48 AM
I wouldn't let Valhalla reflect in ET anyway! I've never reflected in ET and I don't plan on starting now!
Our completely newbie party who have only ever been to ET twice are making it safely to beez with only 2 HPs, so I don't think clearing it is going to be a problem. Finding a scholar that doesn't disconnect for the first 50 floors is the thing, then its clean sailing. ET isn't hard.
implying you would ever bring more than 2 hp's.
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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:51 AM
something something... no can't go there, will get in trouble with the mods :3
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