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[iamvrypwrful]

disable shield reflect on high tier MVP maps

Edited by iamvrypwrful, 03 July 2013 - 09:57 AM.

[GuardianTK]

Can't they just make it so Shield Reflect can't affect MVPs or be capped by the caster's HP?

Edited by GuardianTK, 03 July 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[cybernetic]

They probably can't.

[HansLowell]

I guess people doesn't remind how gm tried to take care of this a while ago. and it lended to some weird results.

The only way to fix this is to ask gravity developper (kro) and since they are working only on Renewal I guess that won't happen.

I feel its quite bad though, killing mvp with reflect is not interesting at all, and kind of boring.

 

I dont think disabling reflect shield on specific map is doable that easily since the skills work already on any map. while ice wall is desactivated on many maps already.

 

 

[cybernetic]

Disabling shield reflect on specific maps works the same as disabling ice wall on specific maps.

[Xellie]

Edit: <Removed Off-topic comments>

 

Back on topic: I think Icewall allows comp where as reflect killing doesn't. People would probably still tank and res and bomb spam mvps ANYWAY because Icewall requires a higher attention span.

Edited by VolunteerMod05, 04 July 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[Ralis]

Y'know, since we're gonna disable Reflect, we should probably also disable Soul Destroyer so people can't portal back and forth on Nameless for Bee.

[Hrishi]

I don't see the relevance. Unless you are suggesting that spamming tokens to reflect kill an MvP in a matter of minutes is the same as taking forever to attempt to portal kill beez with SD? Quite honestly, portal SD is the worst and most time consuming way of killing beez that I could have thought of. If somebody really dedicates that much time to killing beez that way, and nobody interferes whatsoever, they probably deserve to kill it.

Edited by Hrishi, 04 July 2013 - 10:36 AM.

[Ralis]

Taking forever to kill it? I've watched people SD kill it in a matter of minutes...

 

I don't think you realize how many hundreds of tokens you're going to use on Bee anyways. It's not even worth reflecting it. Even counting that, the same thing could be said about reflect that you're saying about SD: if someone really dedicates that much time to killing Bee and no one interferes, you probably deserve it as well. Bee DOES run, but it's so difficult to not prematurely kill him with reflect when he does that.
 

Valk on the other hand, if there's competition and you're reflecting there's no way you can win.

 

So basically, go ahead and disable Reflect, just make sure you disable other "cheap" methods of killing it.

[Hrishi]

Taking forever to kill it? I've watched people SD kill it in a matter of minutes...

 

I wasn't talking about SD, but portal SD. There's a difference. Try portal SDing beez next time and see how long it takes with it's heals. As for a matter of minutes, that's also with megs. I don't see reflect requiring god items to kill MvPs in a matter of minutes.

 

I also don't care how many tokens you'd need to kill beez/valk/ifrit/any specific mvp. It's a general statement about any MvP. Throwing kafra points in the form of tokens at an MvP is even worse than disabling it with Ice wall. Unless you are suggesting that portal SDing takes kafra points to perform?

 

As for disabling other "cheap" methods, I believe Ice wall was already disabled for this reason. I don't see how "portal SD" can be disabled. If you have a suggestion, feel free to post it but I'm pretty sure the game is incapable of differentiating between SD and portal SD.

Edited by Hrishi, 04 July 2013 - 11:58 AM.

[Xellie]

portal SDing beez LMAO now I heard it all.

 

That would take........ hours.

[Hrishi]

portal SDing beez LMAO now I heard it all.

 

That would take........ hours.

 

Is it a better tactic than chain lightning on beez?

[iamvrypwrful]

portal SD? Are you -_- serious LOL.

 

let's fix the nameless quest first hehe

[Ralis]

(Was trolling on the SD -_- if that wasn't obvious, just FYI)

 

Honestly nothing should be disabled. The skills are in-game for a reason. Put Ice Wall back in and allow for competition.

 

[Xellie]

(Was trolling on the SD if that wasn't obvious, just FYI)

 

Honestly nothing should be disabled. The skills are in-game for a reason. Put Ice Wall back in and allow for competition.

 

that.

[cybernetic]

WHALE WHALE WHALE.

 

WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE.

[iamvrypwrful]

(Was trolling on the SD if that wasn't obvious, just FYI)

 

Honestly nothing should be disabled. The skills are in-game for a reason. Put Ice Wall back in and allow for competition.

 

How is it obvious trolling? You've seen way more retarded things than that lol.

 

"skills are in the game for a reason"

 

- dumbest reason for anything of 2013. You think it was intended to stack gear to get hit for more damage and eske an MVP to reflect it like an idiot? I don't think that was the intended purpose of shield reflect.

Edited by iamvrypwrful, 04 July 2013 - 12:32 PM.

[Ralis]

How is it obvious trolling? You've seen way more retarded things than that lol.

 

I have seen tons of retarded things in my time!

 

[Ralis]

What do you think the skill is for, exactly? /hmm

 

I mean, Eske... 4x damage for 1/2 defense? Not like we have Provoke or anything...

[iamvrypwrful]

you're bad

 

how about we disable res tokens in ET and on mvp maps? (way more broken than reflect or ice wall)

Edited by iamvrypwrful, 04 July 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[HansLowell]

I never though reflect was taken care of properly in RO.

The amount of damage is completely absurd with eske

It bypass invulnerability skills on giant baphomet.

 

That renewal patch that make reflect shield damage capped as your max hp

should have been that way a long time ago.

[iamvrypwrful]

Yeah, capping reflect at your max hp makes sense.

[Xellie]

you're bad

 

how about we disable res tokens in ET and on mvp maps? (way more broken than reflect or ice wall)

 

Do you honestly think we're reflecting our way up ET?

[iamvrypwrful]

I never said that, why are you turning this into a personal discussion. Not everything is about you, stop going off topic.

Edited by iamvrypwrful, 04 July 2013 - 12:38 PM.

[Xellie]

I never said that, why are you turning this into a personal discussion. Not everything is about you, stop going off topic.

 

I fail to see the relevance of disabling tokens, or anything to do with ET (since reflect is disabled there), so check yourself.