Fast fact
1) Have been botting for almost 9 months
2) All bot never use macro
3) All bot use very cheap gear for botting
Ymir
# of bot: 23
min life time: 1 week
max life time: 9 months (still alive)
avg life time: 2 months
Valk
# of bot: 78
min life time: 3 weeks
max life time: 9 months (still alive)
avg life time: 4.5 months
Conclusion
1) GM more likely catch bot in Ymir by patrolling and then catch the alt account by server log
2) GM more likely catch bot in Valkyrie by server log (GM rarely do patrolling in Valk since there is too many of bot to patrol)
Note: For studying purpose only!!
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Bot statistic for Ymir and Valkyrie
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, May 13 2011 09:44 AM
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:15 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA. You are my new idol
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:21 AM
Are they all rogues?
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:28 AM
Interesting. I think this clearly demonstrates the need for more aggressive bot removal efforts.
How do you know whether or not a bot is banned based on server logs?
How do you know whether or not a bot is banned based on server logs?
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:30 AM
was any of them your girlfriend?
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:34 AM
Bot at 9 months:
And I am... still alive.
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And I am... still alive.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:47 AM
Interesting. I think this clearly demonstrates the need for more aggressive bot removal efforts.
How do you know whether or not a bot is banned based on server logs?
With all respect, but, I can not tell you the procedure. When botters ask GM "how you catch me?", GM never answer that question. I believe we both know the reason why these type of question can not be answered.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:53 AM
Ah, so it couldn't be revealed without giving away information that would allow the GMs to improve their procedures?With all respect, but, I can not tell you the procedure. When botters ask GM "how you catch me?", GM never answer that question. I believe we both know the reason why these type of question can not be answered.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 10:58 AM
I'm actually interested to see where this goes.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 11:26 AM
Ah, so it couldn't be revealed without giving away information that would allow the GMs to improve their procedures?
Obviously not. If they even knew the game they managed...
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 12:19 PM
i've talked to some zeny sellers and people on valk that are open about their botting, and i would say 80% of them said that all their bots are still stronger than ever yr + later
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:00 PM
there are only 78 bots on valk?
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:22 PM
i think he's confessing to running all those bots himself... right?there are only 78 bots on valk?
average botted map i see atleast 78 bots on just that map.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:22 PM
No, he's saying he's running 78 bots himself as an experiment.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:13 PM
Best experiment ever.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:26 PM
The forum posting account in ingame account are linked. GMs, you know what to do.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 02:33 PM
I don't think he's stupid enough to use the same warpportal account...
Awesome survey though, really says something about how much Gravity doesn't care about bots
Awesome survey though, really says something about how much Gravity doesn't care about bots
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 04:22 PM
Which is kinda why in my other thread I suggested they just make botting legal: People going to do it anyway, the rule is hardly ever enforced which is shown by the amount of people on valk who will openly talk about botting, I had some guy when i was lving my alchs filir tell me in open general chat how he runs 5 bots 24/7 farming maneater blossoms to sell. They don't care because they know gravity doesn't care either. Botting has always been a part of iro even way back like the second open beta started and still when it was p2p. I kinda don't blame them for giving up. But damn.. I made 2 mil in 40 mins on my 1st char there just killin bigfoots. Wish I could make money like that on valk. Market is over-saturated with stuff. Which I'll admit IS the fault of the bots.
To naseefc: They can get him by the IP address which then can see what warpporal accts and what iro accts he has accessed. I already know how they catch botters its rather simple, Most have a setup where they go to storage stuff and they always go to the same spot every single time, no player is that precise to the co-rd over days and days of trips, There are otherways too, bots almost always take the same path across maps when moving from one map to the next, and I mean the EXACT same, I have followed one walking between maps and noticed this. How they loot is a way a player can verify if its a bot too.
If they don't reply to PM's/chat doesn't count exactly. Some people who don't bot level with chat off so they won't see PM's etc so they can focus on the grinding, and they might miss general chat if you right in front of them too. though its less likely.
To naseefc: They can get him by the IP address which then can see what warpporal accts and what iro accts he has accessed. I already know how they catch botters its rather simple, Most have a setup where they go to storage stuff and they always go to the same spot every single time, no player is that precise to the co-rd over days and days of trips, There are otherways too, bots almost always take the same path across maps when moving from one map to the next, and I mean the EXACT same, I have followed one walking between maps and noticed this. How they loot is a way a player can verify if its a bot too.
If they don't reply to PM's/chat doesn't count exactly. Some people who don't bot level with chat off so they won't see PM's etc so they can focus on the grinding, and they might miss general chat if you right in front of them too. though its less likely.
Edited by Siveria, 13 May 2011 - 04:26 PM.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:25 PM
My friend, each bot has its own ip and so does the account for posing in this forum. I believe they don't waste their time tracking my ip. Furthermore, my intention is just do an experiment and present the stat chart. I don't support botting.To naseefc: They can get him by the IP address which then can see what warpporal accts and what iro accts he has accessed. I already know how they catch botters its rather simple, Most have a setup where they go to storage stuff and they always go to the same spot every single time, no player is that precise to the co-rd over days and days of trips, There are otherways too, bots almost always take the same path across maps when moving from one map to the next, and I mean the EXACT same, I have followed one walking between maps and noticed this. How they loot is a way a player can verify if its a bot too.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 06:29 PM
How much zeny did you make off it? And did your bots ever make it to 150?
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:04 PM
I wanna see where this is going next xD
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:32 PM
I don't support botting.
Well then you are extremely thorough tester considering you say you've done this for 9 months and don't support doing this.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:35 PM
Sometimes I get bored and check ROPD for bots I have reported... 60% of them are usually still "last see this week", months after I reported them. People know the GMs won't catch them a large majority of the time, so they take the risk.
The current system sucks. Unless they make any changes it will always be this way, -_-ty and bot filled.
Things they could do (but won't):
(1) Hire actual people to play and check all field maps. Make this their only job, to catch and ban bots.
(2) Hire more people to respond to bot reports on the support page (Also fix the damn support page so it doesn't take 10 years to load
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(3) Have a program to log people who are on for ridiculous amounts of time and monitor them
(4) Use an anti bot program. They say "blah blah blah causes more problems for actual players", but have they even tried?
I hate bots in case you can't tell... Especially ones of the spamming variety
The current system sucks. Unless they make any changes it will always be this way, -_-ty and bot filled.
Things they could do (but won't):
(1) Hire actual people to play and check all field maps. Make this their only job, to catch and ban bots.
(2) Hire more people to respond to bot reports on the support page (Also fix the damn support page so it doesn't take 10 years to load
)(3) Have a program to log people who are on for ridiculous amounts of time and monitor them
(4) Use an anti bot program. They say "blah blah blah causes more problems for actual players", but have they even tried?
I hate bots in case you can't tell... Especially ones of the spamming variety
Edited by ABK1986, 13 May 2011 - 07:36 PM.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 08:00 PM
How long did these research bots took to reach level 99? trans 99?
What were their levels at each months? What level were the bots when they got caught by GMs?
How many bots were alive by the end of each month?
And with the conclusion, bot hunting should prioritize on the highest level characters (130+) or mid-high level areas that have very high potential zeny returns.
What were their levels at each months? What level were the bots when they got caught by GMs?
How many bots were alive by the end of each month?
And with the conclusion, bot hunting should prioritize on the highest level characters (130+) or mid-high level areas that have very high potential zeny returns.
Edited by mooMOOmoo, 13 May 2011 - 08:07 PM.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 08:07 PM
how many computers for that many bots?
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