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[Fold]

So I dunno if alot of people know this, but most boss abilities activate when a boss reaches a certain health percentage. So I was thinking it would be a good idea to add a health percentage to the end of the current / max health setup on the health bars. This serves two functions:

1. Removes the "randomness" of boss abilities - people will be able to properly coordinate cooldowns or prepare for certain boss abilities instead of re-actively dealing with it.

2. Enables classes with an execute type mechanic (Lex Divina for Priests) to use it at the right time.

Any thoughts?

Edited by Fold, 24 April 2013 - 12:37 PM.

[Reifnir]

So I dunno if alot of people know this, but most boss abilities activate when a boss reaches a certain health percentage. So I was thinking it would be a good idea to add a health percentage to the end of the current / max health setup on the health bars. This serves two functions:

1. Removes the "randomness" of boss abilities - people will be able to properly coordinate cooldowns or prepare for certain boss abilities instead of re-actively dealing with it.

2. Enables classes with an execute type mechanic (Lex Divina for Priests) to use it at the right time.

Any thoughts?

The idea is good, despite being old - I remember that lots of WoW raids were built on HP-percentage based phase transitions too, and I'd support it, given a chance, but seeing how some of RO2's UI elements were made in a really half-arsed way (lack of chat font customization, horrid Auction House filter functionality) I kinda doubt Gravity would bother with this in the near future. You can always expect more costumes, hats, and other cash shop stuff, though!

Edited by Reifnir, 24 April 2013 - 01:29 PM.

[Furin]

You can always expect more costumes, hats, and other cash shop stuff, though!

Misplaced criticism. Modelers != programmers.

[Reifnir]

Misplaced criticism. Modelers != programmers.

*sigh*
I'm not saying having costumes is a bad thing in itself, but while stuff like Pandora Boxes, Pyramid minigame, VIP cards, Costume Fusion and the like are added to the game on a regular basis, not a single UI improvement was made since game's release, despite numerous complaints.
Besides, programming a percentage display is something a schoolkid could do, given access to source code.

Edited by Reifnir, 24 April 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[Sacriel]

Misplaced criticism. Modelers != programmers.

I'm pretty sure he was just saying that you can always expect more content from Gravity that directly generates revenue as opposed to content that actually improves mechanics and gameplay.

[ExeltusPendragon]

The idea is good, despite being old - I remember that lots of WoW raids were built on HP-percentage based phase transitions too, and I'd support it, given a chance, but seeing how some of RO2's UI elements were made in a really half-arsed way (lack of chat font customization, horrid Auction House filter functionality) I kinda doubt Gravity would bother with this in the near future. You can always expect more costumes, hats, and other cash shop stuff, though!

WoW really spoiled me as far as UI customization went. If there wasn't an option for it there more than likely was an add-on that did it. I'd kill for a decent set of debuff/buff size and timer options. I don't even want to say what I'd do if I could get some half decent DoT timer bars.

At least we can soooorta work around figuring out when a boss hits execute range by just doing the hard math.

Edited by ExeltusPendragon, 24 April 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[Furin]

I'm pretty sure he was just saying that you can always expect more content from Gravity that directly generates revenue as opposed to content that actually improves mechanics and gameplay.

And I was saying that he's blaming the creation of cash shop items for the lack of content/customization when the two have nothing to do with each other. Criticism is fine, but at least target it correctly.

Besides, we know that they're working on WoE and Monster Collection right now which doesn't (directly) create money.

Edited by Furin, 24 April 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[Fold]

It is something they really should consider. If they're gonna design bosses to use skills at certain health thresholds, it will be extremely useful

[Kiyoshiro]

I'd love to have this implemented. I may not use Lex Divina (if ever) but the fact that some bosses use certain skills at a certain amount of HP, that's where this feature would really help. 100% agree with this

[Reifnir]

Besides, we know that they're working on WoE and Monster Collection right now which doesn't (directly) create money.

Introduction of new content, be it new dungeons, PvP modes and whatnot is essential to game's survival. No new content = playerbase decreases = bye-bye income, it's just a long-term investment instead of a short-term one.

Don't get me wrong, getting new dungeons and WoE is great - problem is, when it comes to considering the needs and wishes of the playerbase, Gravity failed badly.
It takes an incomparably small fraction of time and resources wasted used to bring let's say, Pandora Boxes into the game to extend font color selection to all channels instead of just four - yet, it hasn't been done.

creation of cash shop items for the lack of content/customization when the two have nothing to do with each other.

Perhaps.
But deciding to spend time on a new cash shop item or money-milking features like Pyramid or Costume Fusion System instead of polishing the game show exactly how much the devs "care" about what players need. Just sayin'...

[ShiveringShadows]

Besides, programming a percentage display is something a schoolkid could do, given access to source code.

It's hard for me or anyone to take your words seriously if you don't even know the difference between programmers and content creation staff. A mistake you keep making, over:

I kinda doubt Gravity would bother with this in the near future. You can always expect more costumes, hats, and other cash shop stuff, though!

and over:

It takes an incomparably small fraction of time and resources wasted used to bring let's say, Pandora Boxes into the game to extend font color selection to all channels instead of just four - yet, it hasn't been done.

and over again:

But deciding to spend time on a new cash shop item or money-milking features like Pyramid or Costume Fusion System instead of polishing the game show exactly how much the devs "care" about what players need. Just sayin'...

And now you're sounding like a broken record.

[Reifnir]

It's hard for me or anyone to take your words seriously if you don't even know the difference between programmers and content creation staff. A mistake you keep making, over:

Pray tell, what is the difference between writing a piece of code for minigames, creating new interface elements for costume fusion, and fixing the functionality of existing pieces?
Oh, wait, there's none, duh.

[KainHyrial]

You could be like this group, and calculate your percentage of success.

But Leeroy didn't care.

Edited by KainHyrial, 24 April 2013 - 06:37 PM.

[Fold]

Well hopefully they see the point of this thread instead of the arguement. I would really love to see this suggestion hit live servers. It doesn't really seem that difficult to do

[synesthetic]

add a health percentage to the end of the current / max health setup on the health bars

I don't know. As much as I support the reasoning, I think it'd introduce a new problem.

Just looking at HP bars,



where would it fit in there?

Edited by synesthetic, 25 April 2013 - 01:51 AM.

[KarilynKare]

Besides, programming a percentage display is something a schoolkid could do, given access to source code.

I wish this wasn't true, but it unfortunately is. My first ever experience coding was adding a percentage display to an addon in Warcraft, and I was able to figure it out in 30 minutes, with zero coding knowledge. For someone with knowledge of coding, it can probably be done in under 60 seconds.

Of course, that's not acknowledging the fact that you need to create additional options to enable or disable this aspect of the interface, as when I did my coding, I was just doing it for personal use, so the ability to turn it off was irrelivant.

I don't know. As much as I support the reasoning, I think it'd introduce a new problem.

Just looking at HP bars,



where would it fit in there?

Trundication. It's pretty easy to label that enemy's HP as 3560k HP. You could even do 3.6m HP. Though generally speaking I don't trundicate HP unless it has a 10s digit after trundication.

Edited by KarilynKare, 25 April 2013 - 02:02 AM.

[Ahjussi]

Should be toggled by pressing or holding a key.

[Reifnir]

Should be toggled by pressing or holding a key.

...Or toggled in Options, allowing to switch between HP numbers or HP percentage display.

[ExeltusPendragon]

I don't know. As much as I support the reasoning, I think it'd introduce a new problem.

Just looking at HP bars,



where would it fit in there?

Truncation. Hell, I'd even settle for replacing the number completely, or having it alternate between the two or something.

[OneLastDance]

If you're good at math you don't need percentage.

[ExeltusPendragon]

If you're good at math you don't need percentage.

You don't even need to be good at math. It's (boss health x 0.20) for execute range. You can swap out the 20 for whatever % you're looking for. Doesn't change that this is 2013 and health/mana % should be a standard feature.

[Fold]

If you're good at math you don't need percentage.

Unfortunately i'm not. Percentages pls.