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#126 Shouichirou

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:22 AM

whats ur int on video? over 250? did u tried change int items on str or agi items? bash 500 crit 1500. if change int items on str +500 ap will bash dmg 600-700? if yes int build is useless


Judging by your STR = +500ap segment, I would guess you are talking about +250 STR. In that sense, we can do some basic calculations on the examples below.



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Lets say Lubu had;

- 3k attack
- 100 INT
- Bash (a 25% move)



According to your statement, if he went for that [+250 STR] mentioned. He would go to 3.5k attack and be doing;
- 875 damage bash
- 2100 damage critical bash

Likewise, if he went for [+250 INT] instead of that [+250 STR]. He would still be at 3k attack and be doing;
- 750 damage bash
- 2550 damage critical bash




Assuming both set-ups have a "25% critical rate" (which is seen to be low end for current swordsman). We can basically say 1/4 hits will land as a "critical". If we take that into account and sum up possible damages . . .

1) 875 + 875 + 875 + 2100 (crit) = 4725 damage over 4 hits
2) 750 + 750 + 750 + 2550 (crit) = 4800 damage over 4 hits




In summary, INT has more "value" than STR for [Battle Tactics] users with at least 25% [Critical Rate] (not going to go exact here, but 25% is a rounded-up value). If the swordsman chooses to up their "critical rate" even further, the gap will only increase more in favor for [Battle Tactics]. Take into account that he gets [+19 more AGI] from switching over from the [STR accessories] to the [INT accessories], his "critical rate" basically went up further.
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#127 LuBuFengXian

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:41 PM

As Shou says.

I am thinking to MAYBE drop parrying for lvl 4 or 5 bash, but I am not sure. Right now I am only running lvl 1 bash so my start up time is a little slow if I MISS MY RAGE STRIKE WARRGGHHHHHHHHHH

Right now it's like I am like driving an AE86 Truneo on a downhill race against enemy DPS Swifty with his FD3S, I am gonna get my ass kicked in the get go since my piece of **** car can't start fast enough, but I will win in the end because I AM LU BU AND I AM VERY STRONG

But maybe I will put a turbo into me car, so part of the things I might look into is getting bash 5, but I am still skeptical because I also like to maintain my tankiness, ughhhhhhh

Dude Shou, you should show me your build man, I am dying to know how you sneak lvl 5 battle leap into your build, pm me or whatever!
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:27 PM

I am interested in this too. I got no experience with warrior tree but as far as theorycrafting goes it felt like warrior is abit too "stable" compared to knight with it's mastery procs. Also..
YER NOT BEING LUBU! LUBE CARES NOT OF GETTING HIT, FOR LUBU KILLS BEFORE GETTING HIT!
A DEAD MOB IS A HARMLESS MOB! Bosses being exceptions.
But really, isnt defender+aura armor alone good enough for tanking?
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:35 PM

I am interested in this too. I got no experience with warrior tree but as far as theorycrafting goes it felt like warrior is abit too "stable" compared to knight with it's mastery procs. Also..
YER NOT BEING LUBU! LUBE CARES NOT OF GETTING HIT, FOR LUBU KILLS BEFORE GETTING HIT!
A DEAD MOB IS A HARMLESS MOB! Bosses being exceptions.
But really, isnt defender+aura armor alone good enough for tanking?


Yes it is enough.

[BUT! You can have max [Endure] in there so that you can "TANK THE BOSS AOES LIKE A MAAAAAN!!!" while laughing at their pitiful damage!]

*cough cough* Yes, [Endure] is imperative as well.
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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:56 PM

Attempting to construct a warrior off tank build WITHOUT aura armor, call me crazy.
http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0
The idea is to maintain aggro through provoke, magnum break (with its +50%threat), battle leap as CC and sheer damage, if that's even possible.
It kinda depends on if the warrior -cough-lubu-cough- can out-threat other dps by a sizable margin purely through BT fueled crits.

Edited by Yoruno, 28 June 2013 - 08:58 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:06 PM

Attempting to construct a warrior off tank build WITHOUT aura armor, call me crazy.


Not to be mean... yeah i won't say it. but.. You NEED Aura Armor for threat. Theres no two ways about it. No tank can out threat equally geared DPS without it. DPS hit faster, harder and more often. Tanks soak damage and don't get hit. You don't hit as often so the extra threat gen becomes neccessary.
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Posted 29 June 2013 - 01:00 AM

Attempting to construct a warrior off tank build WITHOUT aura armor, call me crazy.
http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0
The idea is to maintain aggro through provoke, magnum break (with its +50%threat), battle leap as CC and sheer damage, if that's even possible.
It kinda depends on if the warrior -cough-lubu-cough- can out-threat other dps by a sizable margin purely through BT fueled crits.


WOW YOU ARE ONE CRAZY GUY I ACTUALLY LIKED THE IDEA BUT IT IS AN IMPOSSIBLE DREAM!

EVEN IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW OUTDPS EVERYONE, TANKING WITH 20% LESS HP IS LIKE TAKING A FIST UP THE ASS!

BUT YOUR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE SO I MADE DINNER FOR YOU!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im639Jlk1qk&lc=gKIdtRdcBVqxswbHt1XCobd6jjG-hALpITILJC44jqA
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Posted 29 June 2013 - 01:57 AM

@SonitTMP
Thought so too. But its also true(i think?) that no other class can buff their crit so hard as to deal 3x or more damage on each slow hits. Plus swordsmen have other means of generating threat like provokes and magnum bash, assuming they are leveled sufficiently and that someone attempted it. Red pots generate threat too iirc, though not by alot.
Even i myself think im crazy for coming up with this but hey, food for thought. As far as tankiness goes not having 20% extra hp from aura armor is definitely a big loss..

On that note, do tension relax/aura heal and DoT skills generate threat? cos tension relax and headcrush might be worth considering if they do.

maybe this is more viable, alas less damage output:
http://www.ro2base.c...1.1.1/0.0.0.0.0

Lol lubu that vid. I do tend to chase lubu alot in DW games. (and fail miserably more often than not)
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Posted 29 June 2013 - 05:22 AM

No, sorry, it doesn't work without Aura Armor, even your x3 crit are not reliable enough because you cannot have 50%+ crit like Assassins and Wizards or Rogues too.
Magnum Break is NOT good threat generation, you want Aura Strike and Rage Strike to generate more threat.
Taunting is unreliable and will get all the melee killed or losing DPS by having to run out of melee range and back in.
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Posted 29 June 2013 - 06:31 AM

No need for apology, still..I didnt know wizard and thief classes can go up to 50%+ crit. is it only for them?
But how is magnum break not a good threat generator when its got same damage as bash and comes with innate +50% threat boost? apart from not generating any rage for aura strike and rage strike.
I noticed provoke 1/5 got too long cd to make use of, but 5/5 does cut it down to 8 secs which is 2 secs short of provoke duration. You might even be able to cut it down to 5-6 sec through vigor equipments. Im not sure if normal provoke only works for 6secs just like wide provoke though.
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Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:07 AM

Our Assassin as 50% crit without the CoA set bonus
My Wiz is up to 48% crit without CoA set bonus
Rogues can get the +30% crit (but usually drop it for more attack power) so I'm not sure what their regular crit is but certainly up there near or above 40%

The problem with provoke is that if you use it but then the assassin gets a bunch of crits, he'll be above you already anyway - and he would need to run out of melee to drop agro most of the time due to how the boss doesnt switch properly when taunted from a melee
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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:58 AM

RIGHT NOW WITHOUT COA BONUS SWIFTY CAN HIT UP TO 70%+ SOMETHING CRIT AND HE CAN GO HIGHER

I TOLD HIM TO GET MORE AGI INSTEAD OF STR BECAUSE EVERY CRIT AFTER 50% WILL INCREASE DPS EXPONENTIALLY

I HAVE 46% FULLY DOPED UP AS WELL, AND EVEN THEN WITH MY MASSIVE CRITS I CAN ONLY REACH A LITTLE OVER 2X OF SWIFTY's DPS

PROVOKE IS USED FOR UTILITY, ANY EXTRA POINTS INTO IT IS WORTH **** ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT MAXIMUM DPS

MAGNUM BREAK IS SLOW, FAT, AND USELESS, WITH A POOR ANIMATION, RANGE AND A LONG CD. I USED IT IN WOLVES CAVE WHEN I WAS LITTLE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER AOE THOUGH!
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Posted 02 July 2013 - 04:39 AM

A glorious guide wrote by an awesome warrior. Thanks Master LuBu!

 

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Also: Dem Crit of 10k on Raid...


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:07 PM

For Lu BU or anyone answer my question

 

1. I have a question, whether in the INT status can Warior for reduce damage magic ?

2. whether differences parry for STR and INT ?

3. whether the superiority in status INT for skill Warior only battle tactic ?

 

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:05 PM

INT is only for Battle Tactics, no other use out of it, not for magic damage, not for parry.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:43 PM

Question:

 

Is it really necessary to use the power pills to make this build work?.. Or buff potions and food buffs will suffice?..


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:21 AM

THE POWER PILLS ARE THERE TO MAKE YOU EVEN MORE PUMPED UP YOU DON:T REALLY NEED IT

 

I AM PRETTY FAT AND USELESS BUT EVEN I HAVE 29.2% CRIT UNBUFFED


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:58 PM

For Lu BU or anyone answer my question

 

1. I do not understand why defender max? -10% damage, if berserk max damage then we can only 10%.
2. why not bash and aura strike max? is not it better to sacrifice rage strike is allocated to bash n aura strike, for example rage strike 1, rest to aura strike n bash
3. why parrying 4? why not 1?


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:52 PM

THE POWER PILLS ARE THERE TO MAKE YOU EVEN MORE PUMPED UP YOU DON:T REALLY NEED IT

 

I AM PRETTY FAT AND USELESS BUT EVEN I HAVE 29.2% CRIT UNBUFFED

 

Thanks for the reply.. Question again concerning stats.. Should i left my STR 1?..

And is it ok if i drop tension relax to level 1?..


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 04:21 AM

For Lu BU or anyone answer my question

 

1. I do not understand why defender max? -10% damage, if berserk max damage then we can only 10%.
2. why not bash and aura strike max? is not it better to sacrifice rage strike is allocated to bash n aura strike, for example rage strike 1, rest to aura strike n bash
3. why parrying 4? why not 1?

1.  IF YOU DON"T WANT TO TANK THEN DON'T GET DEFENDER, BUT KNOW THAT THE DEFENSIVE STATS IT GIVES IS TOTALLY OP, BERSERK WOULD HELP COUNTER THAT AND STILL ALLOW YOU TO DISH OUT GOOD DAMAGE

 

2. RAGE STRIKE IS FOR BURST DAMAGE, WHEN YOU CRIT FOR OVER 10K NO DPS CAN EVER CATCH UP TO YOU, AND IF YOU DO IT IN PVP YOUR ENEMY DIES INSTANTLY AND EVERYONE LAUGHS ITS A WONDERFUL SKILL

 

3. PARRYING 4 IS DONE BECAUSE THE CAP FOR NORMAL PARRYING IS 70%, LEVEL 4 PARRYING = 32% FOR A POTENTIAL OF 100% PARRYING IT IS SICK 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply.. Question again concerning stats.. Should i left my STR 1?..

And is it ok if i drop tension relax to level 1?..

TENSION RELAX CAN SAVE YOUR ASS

 

I AM NOT SURE ABOUT STR ATM, ITS GOOD BUT NOT SUPER REQUIRED ALSO 

 

I LEFT MINE @ 1 AND JUST PUMP THE **** OUT OF AGI AND INT THIS TIME, STILL TESTING BUILDS ATM BUT IT WORKS EXTREMELY WELL

 

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:33 PM

Just how much extra damage does Beserk add over a long fight (say, Baphomet)? Thinking about moving those points to Aura Blade instead for added versatility in RHDs or farming. 

 

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

A long time ago I used Aura Blade swap to do DPS, but then it cuts into my tanking ability deep into the late game so I had to go with the current build I have now.

 

Berserk will last you a good while, has a 30 seconds down time, but it's worth it for sure while its up.


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Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:59 PM

I was playing Dynasty Warriors 5: Empires on my emulator and then i noticed something obvious while pursuing Lu bu again.. so i thought i'd state the obvious over here.

Lu Bu hits hard AND TANKS HARD. Not flinching from my True -_-u and all...

Anyway, i made some changes to the build for a friend who plans to go offensive warrior.

http://ro2base.com/b....1.25/0.0.0.0.0 +5 poisona

Gave up on berserk and defender for a more gimped-but-stable build. Thoughts?
Also how viable is battle leap as a GTFO skill? I've dodged outta aoe from time to time with shield charge so i figured battle leap that doesnt need a target would work better.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 01:11 AM

I was playing Dynasty Warriors 5: Empires on my emulator and then i noticed something obvious while pursuing Lu bu again.. so i thought i'd state the obvious over here.

Lu Bu hits hard AND TANKS HARD. Not flinching from my True -_-u and all...

Anyway, i made some changes to the build for a friend who plans to go offensive warrior.

http://ro2base.com/b....1.25/0.0.0.0.0 +5 poisona

Gave up on berserk and defender for a more gimped-but-stable build. Thoughts?
Also how viable is battle leap as a GTFO skill? I've dodged outta aoe from time to time with shield charge so i figured battle leap that doesnt need a target would work better.

A warrior should never have both skills aura blade and aura armor maxed.  Battle leap is nice but 1 point there is more than enough. Endure > Parrying. BS lv.2 is random, just leave at lv.1.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:08 PM

Doesn't make sense to have both aura skills maxed in theory, but more often than not the "DPS" warrior will be asked to offtank in parties and once that happens he's gonna need that extra threat gen. -40sec cd reduc on an AoE CC skill is too good to not get imo.

It's either 5/5 parry with 60cd or 4/5 endure with 120cd. Considering this warrior isnt gonna be an MT shouldn't low cd skill be more beneficial? (Less OSHI- moments) That and I'm still wondering if i should get berserk instead of parry/endure.

that one point from BS cant really go anywhere else apart from HC or endure, if im taking it.


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