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#26 Mondaiji

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

Thanks for responding and actively trying to do something about it. Won't be immediate fix like many will cry for, but should help it settle back down to normal.


I think the players will be happy instead of crying!

And knowing that the Korean devs are coming over to land a hand » :rice:

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However I'm still not satisfied. There must be a clean up to all of what happened..
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#27 FacelessRed

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

I didn't make much off of it I was selling at a regular price =S just thought it strange someone could buy so much of my karnium so quickly. =[ NOT COOL
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:50 PM

I think the players will be happy instead of crying!

And knowing that the Korean devs are coming over to land a hand » :rice:

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However I'm still not satisfied. There must be a clean up to all of what happened..


Me and my friend did around 1,5M of fortune in items. What now? thats ridiculous, i prefer to not have this stuff and play in a fair server.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

I think the players will be happy instead of crying!

And knowing that the Korean devs are coming over to land a hand » :rice:

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However I'm still not satisfied. There must be a clean up to all of what happened..


if there's gona b a clean up , that means there's gona be a roll back . u think players would like that?
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:52 PM

Good job, delete them all >_>.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:52 PM

if there's gona b a clean up , that means there's gona be a roll back . u think players would like that?


I don't like either option but I'd prefer a rollback over doing nothing

Edited by Mikitty, 16 June 2013 - 03:53 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:54 PM

Hi, all.

We want to keep you informed of what happened, what we are doing, and what we plan on doing.

First, yesterday a lot of popular items and items from the Kafra Shop were bought out in large quantities very quickly by a few accounts. These accounts were sitting on enough zeny to pull this off because they were apart of several accounts currently involved in zeny selling and account buying. Our GMs began removing their accounts at the end of last week, and had removed 20 million zeny that they had been stockpiling. The accounts then used the zeny they had moved around to inflate the prices on the Auction House by buying up items and selling them. Since they were sitting on so much zeny, players who were playing legitimately participated by listing their items for hundreds of zeny, and these illegitimate accounts were buying them up.

We have taken care of the accounts responsible for hijacking the Auction House prices and raising the cost of items. Our GMs are going through players who accumulated a lot of zeny to make sure they did it appropriately and not by a method that is against the rules.

Removing the accounts that had a nearly endless amounts of zeny will stop this from occurring again. We have the studio working on methods to better track issues like this, and they came in early in Korea to help us with that.

We hope to see the prices come down in the Auction House for these items now that the endless flow of zeny has been cut off. We don't want to issue a roll back for the game because we don't want to punish unknowing players who saw an item listed high and decided to match the price with their own.

Our investigation is not over, and we are working on more methods to bring the market back and keep it maintainable, but we wanted to update you on what had occurred and that we are working to fix it.


What are your plans for those players who were able to sell their costumes at ridiculous prices? If nothing is done then the economy will still suck because you have a few very rich people who can control the prices as they please and a few average people who can do nothing about it.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:58 PM

What about the stuff they bought, specially the statted costumes? Are they out of the system for good now? Because in addition to the higher amount of zeny in the hands of a few, the prices for those costumes will skyrocket.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:58 PM

Good Job GMs!
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:59 PM

Our investigation is not over, and we are working on more methods to bring the market back and keep it maintainable, but we wanted to update you on what had occurred and that we are working to fix it.

It's not done there will be more fix.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

Whats going to happen to the people who profited legitimately from the banned players themselves? Are they going to be able to keep the zenny? I know they didn't do anything wrong but it feels like it might cause a problem if that illegal money is allowed to circulate around the economy.

Try reading the topic before posting. It was stated they are looking into who got thier money legit by accomidating the new influx of price, and who did it illigitmately.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:03 PM

more like, very few rich people who can control the economy and probably the prices of every kafra item that'll be added in the foreseeable future. And every otherwise rare item.
And thousands of players who just have to deal with it.
Rollback items/zeny from AH. I'm sure many people were busy actually PLAYING THE GAME, and are still completely oblivious as to what went on.
Do something, or the f2p aspect of this game is basically completely out the window.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:04 PM

Try reading the topic before posting. It was stated they are looking into who got thier money legit by accomidating the new influx of price, and who did it illigitmately.

Bro, I gonna let you finish, but you should get better reading comprehension skills before you try insulting someone since that's not at all what I was talking about. Nice try though.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:07 PM

Try reading the topic before posting. It was stated they are looking into who got thier money legit by accomidating the new influx of price, and who did it illigitmately.


Tell me this:

Guy gets illegit 999.999Z by selling stuff at AH
Guy buys Ygg leaves on npc 5z each
Guy resell Ygg to npc for 500 Rupee each
Guy gets gets 99.999Z Legit
Guy buy stuff with legit Z
Stuff is traded for another stuff or reselled for a lot of different ppl.
Economy destroyed.
Wipe.
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#40 LordAzuRa

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:11 PM

I' vemade 16k zeny. It's really not that much... But I think there should be a wipe too/rollback too... Better that than a forever destroyed economy.

Just refund the Kafra Points that people charges during that period of time until the start of the rollback, And let everyone keep their Blood Points. I don't think that many people would cry about a hard fix. If a rollback of a week is done, give a whole week of 1.5-2x exp in slice of 4 hours like 4 time a day.

Edited by LordAzuRa, 16 June 2013 - 04:12 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:13 PM

Try reading the topic before posting. It was stated they are looking into who got thier money legit by accomidating the new influx of price, and who did it illigitmately.

The thing is, "accomodating the new influx of zeny" is just about as economy damaging as the RMTs themselves. Illegitimate or legitimate, if you profited from the hyperinflation it needs to be rolled back or the in-game economy is shot.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:34 PM

This is great. But sadly only a part of the "economy problem"...
When you see some prices on the AH, Economy rhymes with Stupidity... i.e. 99zenys for 1 Master Red Potion... Some players are so greedy to play silly like that...
Prices rise "stupidly", still the case on RO1, now on RO2...

Faith in mankind? Not anymore... :yawn: :wall:
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:38 PM

I' vemade 16k zeny. It's really not that much... But I think there should be a wipe too/rollback too... Better that than a forever destroyed economy.

Just refund the Kafra Points that people charges during that period of time until the start of the rollback, And let everyone keep their Blood Points. I don't think that many people would cry about a hard fix. If a rollback of a week is done, give a whole week of 1.5-2x exp in slice of 4 hours like 4 time a day.


This is stupid. Depending on how far the wipe/roll back went people could lose money and items they worked very hard to get, and what about people lucky enough to get a last minute Tux/Wedding Dress from the boxes? No amount of KP refund would make that okay. Plus who even really cares about extra exp anyway? You can't even get exp at level 50 and I don't see caring about guild levels THAT much.

This just seems like it'll turn into another way to potentially screw people over. I like the game but this is getting to be too much...

Edited by sa10, 16 June 2013 - 04:42 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

This is stupid. Depending on how far the wipe/roll back went people could lose money and items they worked very hard to get, and what about people lucky enough to get a last minute Tux/Wedding Dress from the boxes? No amount of KP refund would make that okay. Plus who even really cares about extra exp anyway? You can't even get exp at level 50 and I don't see caring about guild levels THAT much.

This just seems like it'll turn into another way of trying to screw people over. I like the game but this is getting to be too much...



So would you rather play in a game with some ppl who got millions in items with this episode and maintain you items than get a wipe and play fairly? Be sure, if you got a 10k Hardworking last week there are some ppl who got 1.000.000+ and will not be wiped cuz they´re not using illegit money, or illegit equip.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:49 PM

Just saying from a casual gamer.

Just before Saturday, i became level 50, farmed for zeny about 1.6k gold from quests.

Then i brought 2 random munil gift boxes, (from the bonus 200 KP) and i got 1 dye and 10 pump up hard pills.

I sold the dye for 120z.

I did brought some 2 card albums worth 200z,

I brought the recruit costume for 450z last saturday (mind you this was a GOOD achievement for me), brought 5 STC worth 225z, and meh, brought about 200z worth of khara quest items and other things. I also hunted my RHD gear and the only ones left are shoes and hat. I was also able to make my profession to lvl 50 and brought all craft skills. By this time my zeny has gone down to 600+z so i thought i'll be doing the side quest and khara quests that i left out to farm zeny. I'm at 800+z now and was VERY happy with the progress on my character because the weekend was the only time i could seriously play.I basically started my end game.

I SWEAR IF THERE WOULD BE A ROLLBACK, MY GAMER HEART WOULD BE SHATTERED.

if there would be rollback,

GG WP DAED GAME, DISBAND PLS.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:53 PM

Glad to see that Korea seems to be so keen on helping this version get going. I hope it stays that way!
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:54 PM

Damage has been done. Only rollback can fix this. Economy is so fvck up. trust me. players have tons of zeny now, poor will get poorer, rich will become super rich, super famous, super imba, coz they can buy anything they want from their fvck up legal zennies.

If you don't rollback, i won't go back.

My conspiracies are true. I knew it.

Goodbye RO2. Enough is enough.

Bye.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:55 PM

So would you rather play in a game with some ppl who got millions in items with this episode and maintain you items than get a wipe and play fairly? Be sure, if you got a 10k Hardworking last week there are some ppl who got 1.000.000+ and will not be wiped cuz they´re not using illegit money, or illegit equip.


So you'd be okay with losing hundreds of dollars of real money because someone else decided to cheat? You know WP won't refund the money spent and KP would be useless you can't buy the item you bought it for. A wipe isn't fair to people that earned what they have.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:56 PM

You have to consider Union Points, Blood Points, items obtained through colo boxes, items bought from kafra, items obtained from mob drops, craft exp, and I can go on. There are numerous variables in play when considering a rollback.

Those against a wipe or rollback might not be on the forums, but if such a thing happens, there will be a backlash for sure.

Remember this is a business, WarpPortal and Gravity get their income off the cash shop.

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#50 ShardRaldevius

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:57 PM

Just saying from a casual gamer.

Just before Saturday, i became level 50, farmed for zeny about 1.6k gold from quests.

Then i brought 2 random munil gift boxes, (from the bonus 200 KP) and i got 1 dye and 10 pump up hard pills.

I sold the dye for 120z.

I did brought some 2 card albums worth 200z,

I brought the recruit costume for 450z last saturday (mind you this was a GOOD achievement for me), brought 5 STC worth 225z, and meh, brought about 200z worth of khara quest items and other things. I also hunted my RHD gear and the only ones left are shoes and hat. I was also able to make my profession to lvl 50 and brought all craft skills. By this time my zeny has gone down to 600+z so i thought i'll be doing the side quest and khara quests that i left out to farm zeny. I'm at 800+z now and was VERY happy with the progress on my character because the weekend was the only time i could seriously play.I basically started my end game.

I SWEAR IF THERE WOULD BE A ROLLBACK, MY GAMER HEART WOULD BE SHATTERED.

if there would be rollback,

GG WP DAED GAME, DISBAND PLS.


Im speaking community wise, not for my own matters, if thats not rollback i would stay rich then. But i prefer a rollback and fair play.

Hate when it comes to ppl just thinking about their own ******.
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