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#1 Oda

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:00 PM

Hello there guys. One of the things I want to do on classic is to encourage more people to use Prontera. Though the Eden group is tremendously more convenient for vending, buying, and recruiting for parties and guilds, there is the problem of it not being immediately obvious for new players, and Prontera is unused. Prontera is the front-face of Classic server and it being nearly empty is a certain turn-off for new players. 

 

I am not fond of the idea of kicking people out of the eden group, but want to gently encourage people to return to Prontera for vending, and hanging out. 

 

Features of new old Prontera: 

 

Already implemented: 

Accessory that allows a warp to prontera when used wherever you are. Just speak to a Kafra NPC in town and she'll give one to you. 

 

Implementing soon: 

Kafra shop NPCs copied to Main Street Prontera

Primo D' Buffer in South Central Prontera 

Speed Pot direct vendor?

 

I am open to suggestions on other ways to encourage players to return to the game's capital city. 

 

What are appropriate VIP stat buffs for Primo on classic?


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:02 PM

Make the wild rose spawn in town again, always fun watching a noobie attack it.

 

Agi up and bless?


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:09 PM

Only way to give life to prontera is to turn vending off in eden.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:22 PM

Only way to give life to prontera is to turn vending off in eden.

I think it would be better if eden wasn't there at all.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:27 PM

They've said they cant do that cyber. Because they'd have to disable all vending inside buildings.

 

I think encouraging people to spend more time in Prontera would be good, I'm probably going to start vending where the Warp Pass takes you just to see what happens.

 

I like Eden because it gives people access to each other easily from whatever down they're in, but I wouldnt be against removing it and having an area somewhere in Prontera where all the eden related activities can take place.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

What are appropriate VIP stat buffs for Primo on classic?

 

Non-VIP: Bless/AGI, 15~30 minute cooldown.

 

VIP: Bless/AGI, +3 to all stats (as a non-stacking food buff) for 30 minutes. 10 minute cooldown.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 03:30 PM

No cool down for vip ^-^


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:33 PM

VIP dungeon warper

3x EXP buff daily for VIPs


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

Speed pot vendor is a very good idea.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:56 PM

this is prolly not related but you should put back mailboxes back in each town, but change it so if you talk to it it wil warp you to the anex room, i really find it annoying to have to go to eden all the time because now theres a zeny bots on crack spaming at 500m text/hr


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:35 PM

They've said they cant do that cyber. Because they'd have to disable all vending inside buildings.

 

 

 

I suppose I don't see the disadvantage of disabling vending on "indoor maps" if all we're trying to do is encourage people to vend in prontera anyway.  Who the heck vends in other buildings? 

 

 

Non-VIP: Bless/AGI, 15~30 minute cooldown.

 

VIP: Bless/AGI, +3 to all stats (as a non-stacking food buff) for 30 minutes. 10 minute cooldown.

 

I'm not super opposed to this, although to be honest, I would like to keep the server as non-renewal as possible.  

 

 

VIP dungeon warper

3x EXP buff daily for VIPs

 

Holy crap, Xellie!  Are we a pserver now?! o_O 

 

 

this is prolly not related but you should put back mailboxes back in each town, but change it so if you talk to it it wil warp you to the anex room, i really find it annoying to have to go to eden all the time because now theres a zeny bots on crack spaming at 500m text/hr

 

I hate to break it to you, but disabling eden as the "central hub" of things will just cause the spam bots to be in town instead of in eden.  They will go where they feel like people are, and they will be just as quick to adapt as we are.  I would encourage you to configure your nospam.cfg in the data folder. I am not opposed to the idea to a mail annex room warper, however the annex room could become "the new eden" if this were done, and vending not disabled indoors.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 08:31 PM

I'm sure there's going to be some maps that are super weird and random and disabling vend in indoor maps could cause issues. It's probably not a good idea to just blanket restrict something like that.

 

I actually like Xellies suggestions, giving VIP players a free 15-30m exp buff will get them logging on every day for a little bit of leveling.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:12 AM

Well the thing is, you get the 3x buff once if you're VIP... so why not make it an actual VIP thing? I know when I'm VIP I buy 3x manuals regardless and who levels for 30mins at a time?


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:19 AM

We're updating nospam's config file with the updated one I use, so that should eliminate the spam for people who haven't manually updated their own yet. The GMs have been pretty on the ball with patrolling and banning spammers on Renewal, I'll make sure they turn their LOIC targets towards Classic's vending areas as well. 


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:38 AM

Well the thing is, you get the 3x buff once if you're VIP... so why not make it an actual VIP thing? I know when I'm VIP I buy 3x manuals regardless and who levels for 30mins at a time?

 

This is true, but even still, I feel like that's a little over the top.  There are lots of people who play the game who don't have the means to get VIP, and I feel like that's just a TINY bit too much of a gap for them. :/

 

 

 

We're updating nospam's config file with the updated one I use, so that should eliminate the spam for people who haven't manually updated their own yet. The GMs have been pretty on the ball with patrolling and banning spammers on Renewal, I'll make sure they turn their LOIC targets towards Classic's vending areas as well. 

 

Hell, Oda.  If you want, I'll send you mine I've been updating it almost daily haha 


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 10:18 AM

Just having automatic events in prontera and its going to be lively, using an npc that move with some basic rewards could do it. It doesn't need to be anything very hard to code.

 

And at the same time you could think about something friendly for new players.

 

people beg a lot in prontera asking for zeny and pots. Most of them don't even know their class quests and stuff

the magical stone thing is a turn off also. Just a reminder.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 11:59 PM

Hi Oda,

 

I like the idea to bring prontera back to life. Most of the time I was sitting there alone next to my shop ;)

 

 

My idea to keep people stay in prontera is to create a NPC which allows you to find other people. Thats what a MMO should be about.

 

For example, a lot of people would like to go to pvp but most of the time nobody is there so they leave immediately. That means people who want to go pvp keep missing each other... till they stop trying to go pvp....

 

You should be able to tell a NPC(which needs some script work) that you are willing to go to PvP(maybe for the next 2 hours). If somebody talks to the npc and wants also go to pvp you see the PPl who are registered and are able to pm them. You should be able to register at least two character names to be available on your alt, too.

 

This would also work for Battleground parties. MvP Partys

 

It would be also a hugh improvement if you could find share/partys with that NPC too. You could always check who is available in your range and wants to share. You dont have to stand with a chat for a whole day to find someone!

 

Put this NPC to prontera and most people will wait to meet other players there.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:11 AM

I am HEAVILY against giving a 30 minute 3 stat buff with no cool down. Adding 3 point increases onto the server, in the form of a 30+ minute buff, pretty much changes how people can build their class ( TKM's for the purpose of this argument ). They can take 3 points out of Str and put it into something else.

 

 

I like Xellie's idea of a Daily ( or 48 hour timer ) x3 Buff for VIP's and a Zenny dungeon warp. Let's be honet, there are like 4 dungeons on the dungeon scroll list that people even go to.

 

Maybe update the item mall dungeon scrolls to have other dungeons in them/areas in them ( Nameless anyone <_< )

 

 


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:31 AM

I would give buff of +1stat +5def mdef for non vip   +3stat +5 def mdef +10atk matk vip for 30 min both get agilvl10 or warp to different town were your lvling. I would make it so does not work in woe pvp areas.

 

I'm not sure what bonus to give I'm sure my vip is weak.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:50 AM

I am HEAVILY against giving a 30 minute 3 stat buff with no cool down. Adding 3 point increases onto the server, in the form of a 30+ minute buff, pretty much changes how people can build their class ( TKM's for the purpose of this argument ). They can take 3 points out of Str and put it into something else.

 

 

I like Xellie's idea of a Daily ( or 48 hour timer ) x3 Buff for VIP's and a Zenny dungeon warp. Let's be honet, there are like 4 dungeons on the dungeon scroll list that people even go to.

 

Maybe update the item mall dungeon scrolls to have other dungeons in them/areas in them ( Nameless anyone <_< )

 

If you are willing to pay $10 a month for a slave account to get +3 STR, you deserve it.  My TKMs are intentionally not VIP so they can remain in leech range (and be cheap).  Adding in VIP would just make my life harder and more expensive.

 

And it would make an extremely marginal difference.  Not to mention you can not leave the map while Miracle is active, which is when you get your EXP.  Except for Stellar days, using the VIP buff would come at the cost of losing Miracle and having to reproc it every half hour instead of every hour.  Which is very annoying as it is.

 

3 all stats is really, really small.  The main reason I suggested it is that in a leveling build you will typically be missing your final bonuses for awhile, and this will offset that.

 

 

 

I'll try to sum up my stance.

If it turns out poorly we can change it.  Don't knock it 'till you try it.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:34 AM

Plus it doesn't stack with +10 food anyway (right?!?!?!?!!!), so it won't really matter in things like WoE or intense PVP/BG where people are just spamming their foods.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:14 PM

Plus it doesn't stack with +10 food anyway (right?!?!?!?!!!), so it won't really matter in things like WoE or intense PVP/BG where people are just spamming their foods.

 

No, it is a food effect, so it will not stack with other foods (it will be overridden since it's weaker).


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 03:06 PM

Either move the buffer to the warp pass spot, or the warp pass spot to the buffer. Annoying to have to warp back and run all the way down every time.


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Posted 07 August 2013 - 07:49 PM

Copypasta from the patch notes thread:

 

Also, Oda/Campitor/whatever GM cares, it would probably be a good idea to move the kafra shop NPCs at least a little bit closer to the prontera warp pass warp in.  It doesn't make any sense for them to be there if you have to walk half way across the map to actually use them.  I'm all for the increased use of Prontera, but if we are going to go all out, then let's go all out...?

 

-Kafra Shop NPCs closer to central square

-Kafra moved to central square

-Tool dealers, upgrader/stylist NPCs moved to central square

-Primo Buffer moved to central square

-Consider putting in a speed pot selling NPC or at least the speed pot "quest" NPC in Prontera somewhere, preferrably NOT central square

 

 

I'm not saying they all need to be RIGHT ON SCREEN of the warp in, but putting them in south is just senseless.

 

 

Also, while very likely out of the "scope" of the administration's capacities, we may want to consider making a smaller map for Prontera. Not a tiny one, but with such a low server population, a huge uninhabited city with a lot of wide open space with no people (even AFK people!) is very intimidating to new players and to be honest very discouraging to veteran players.  I remember on Valkyrie server I used to go around to other people's guild spots all the time just to say hello and see what's going on, but as I walk around Prontera today, it is just so vacant.  I believe this is part of the reason why people are "afraid" so to speak of using Prontera, and therefore prefer Eden where there is at least the illusion that there are a lot of people.  I think this is one of the biggest reasons that the city is so empty.


Edited by Melkor, 07 August 2013 - 08:03 PM.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:30 AM

When you sit in prontera for an hour or so actively you should build an EXP multiplyer, chill in pront for an hour with friends get a 25% exp buff for 15 mins... 2 hours 30 mins or something that makes more sense in math and server economy. for 150's maybe an item drop bonus encourage hunting parties meeting up in prontera.
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