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#26 Agahim

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:52 AM

Oda just hosted a live talk Q and A the other day, They are trying to reach out to the community as best they could. They have addressed a lot of issues people raised and trying to improve things as well. You are not robbed of your freedom to express your unhappiness, you just didn't need to attack another player over it.

 

that's the problem - i wasn't attacking anybody. please refrain from blindly accusing people of things they haven't done. that would be really kind.

 

they haven't been working on the main issues since... forever. all they do is giving out candy (omisgosh, double exp event! again.) so people are happy about these and stop thinking about the real problems. i'm glad that works for you, though.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:58 AM

Most of game that embrace multi-player does comes with thing called "community" and thats probably one of the main reason people stick to the game. That being said, I think Forum is the best way to embrace how welcoming people are in the forum, how helpful they're, and how healthy the player base are. Just because you felt that way doesn't mean its all the same for everyone. Some people might say Ragnarok lacks in Contents, but they aren't. I've seen tons of user created events, and CMs are starting to make more communication between user via various ways. Its always sad to see some people just have to shout out the bad stuff. Its good to discuss, and put up thread to help CM, or GMs to make changes, and put their effort to address those problem, but don't just write down "I HATE THIS BECAUSE ITS SO BAD." 

 

Adreesing the problem is different than just expressing your hate towards the problem.


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#28 Xellie

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:43 AM

"You're entitled to your own opinions...just not -_-ty ones" is how I read it :heh:

 

Aaaaanywaysss, how's the person's experience going?

What job did he/she pick?

Has he/she noticed anything out of the ordinary yet?

 

Good so far! He's been enjoying exploring (the world is very big so there's plenty of that to do)

And he's going swordsman, he was looking for a tanky dps style class so knight seemed the best choice for starting out.

So far I haven't given him anything.... I tanked a couple of popos, and gave him 100k (That was all I had on me at the time lol) but for the most part I'm letting him figure it out until he wants to ask for help.

 

@Agahim: They are working on things and improving them. (at least on classic) - the very least we can do as a community to help out is to support the positive fixes they're doing so there's  a game worth fixing in the long term.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:53 AM

@Agahim: They are working on things and improving them. (at least on classic) - the very least we can do as a community to help out is to support the positive fixes they're doing so there's  a game worth fixing in the long term.

 

my main concern is and will probably always be the botting situation. little to nothing is done about that.

 

have you prepared your friend properly about that? that the vast majority of the "active players" are non-human?

if not he's in for a surprise.

 

i do admire your angelic patience, though. you never seem to tire attempting to reason with the GMs and trying to rescue the game. same goes for jaye.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:36 AM

I'm not blindly accusing, I'm just stating the fact that mocking others isn't going to help with the situation either. Plus I wasn't accusing you. I understand you are frustrated, many of us are aware of the server's population declining also.I just commend Xellie's effort more than those who just complain yet do nothing else. At the same time I never said to ignore the problems the server faces, you just have to bring it up to the GMs, and make suggestions. They wouldn't shut you down if you bring it up appropriately.

 

The botting situation isn't new. The only way to fight bots is that the GMs themselves have to develop a bot that fights them too. Bots breed endlessly and GMs are people with limited time and human power to control them.  Someone who isn't even a GM came up with a brilliant method to fight the spam bots in town, it worked pretty well. I'm just surprised that 10 years of managing this game they weren't able to get someone to do this sooner. Ultimately, many times players themselves can come up with an even more brilliant idea the GMs ever could, and while it's not the player's job to do this... they didn't care, they still did it. Many other players appreciated their effort and loved it. I feel the GMs should reward the bot fighters too. Spam bots can hurt the game experience badly for any new players that never visit the forum or understand how active the community still is.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:08 PM

that's the problem - i wasn't attacking anybody. please refrain from blindly accusing people of things they haven't done. that would be really kind.

 

they haven't been working on the main issues since... forever. all they do is giving out candy (omisgosh, double exp event! again.) so people are happy about these and stop thinking about the real problems. i'm glad that works for you, though.

 

yea honestly id rather have more game content to play then these lame double exp and kp item events. ive never heard of a game having to give out boosted exp before because their game failed so badly at providing quests and other means of leveling. Gravity has had a decade to develop enough content to level us with out the need for x2 exp events and yet....they havnt.

 

 

I've seen tons of user created events, and CMs are starting to make more communication between user via various ways. Its always sad to see some people just have to shout out the bad stuff. Its good to discuss, and put up thread to help CM, or GMs to make changes, and put their effort to address those problem, but don't just write down "I HATE THIS BECAUSE ITS SO BAD." 

 

Adreesing the problem is different than just expressing your hate towards the problem.

 

youre acting like we all just started off as angry yelling mob members. For months/years weve posted bugs in game, item description errors, ideas for quests, ideas for moving gramps (which every single person playing this game has been asking for for almost a year). and they were all either ignored completely, or took over 8 months to finally listen and change. how many years has the iro website displayed the WRONG information for spells and even the ingame descriptions been wrong? the entire 'suggestions' section goes ignored with not as much as a single response from anyone in charge (and ive seen some really amazing ideas in there that would better this game by alot).

 

People tend to only notice the negative and mentally bypass the positive. Its just the human way


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:10 PM

at this point, botting is the least of our problems. there wouldnt even be bots if theyd fix all of the problems with this game. making things like homunculus take a month+ of round the clock afking to level up is a reason for botting. Making poor quality items like poring cards have a .01% drop rate is a reason for botting. Not providing players with ways to make money other then selling stuff through vending is a reason for botting. Im not condoning botting, but it is fairly obvious as to why it became a thing with this game. 

 

 

you do realize that the "increasing amount of negativity on the forums" does have it's reasons, yes? while it isn't a 100% reliable source, the general mood on the forums reflects the general user satisfaction with your service. not with the game, do not mistake one thing for another. people love the game. they complain about people in charge not handling it properly. the game itself is alright.

 

telling us we're free to express our opinion but in the same sentence telling us it can't be negative is hypocrisy. you, only having an ear for positive feedback is a good example of what's wrong with "the game".

 

i'd give your post a "minus", but you guys also robbed us of our ability to express our unhappiness this way. so feel mentally minus'd once.

 

^^^ this

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(btw i voted your post up =p)


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:27 PM

youre acting like we all just started off as angry yelling mob members. For months/years weve posted bugs in game, item description errors, ideas for quests, ideas for moving gramps (which every single person playing this game has been asking for for almost a year). and they were all either ignored completely, or took over 8 months to finally listen and change. how many years has the iro website displayed the WRONG information for spells and even the ingame descriptions been wrong? the entire 'suggestions' section goes ignored with not as much as a single response from anyone in charge (and ive seen some really amazing ideas in there that would better this game by alot).

 

As you would probably know, iRo doesn't really have manpower to either fix those problem by themselves, or patch the client by them self. That being said, process of fixing, and patching the game follows this. 

 

iRo dev team founds out bugs from users(prolly pre-existed in kRo)->iRo sends request for patch file, or Script->kRo gets message, and sends patches to iro(please do note that it took them almost an year to get FA wing enchantment)->iRo team test it on Sakray->Patch to the original server. 

 

That process is highly inefficient and we all know that. But, iRo have no choice since they don't have their own dev team, so they have to rely on this problems to kRo for the most part(apart from gramps, its their own system) Any kind of problem that comes from internally, they have no power over fixing them. I think its good that they're finally listening to users step by step(Description fixing thread and Q&A is a good example). Even if users have really good idea, if something they can't do because of limitation they face, that can't be happening.

 

You can still address issues with positive attitude, you don't need to be all mad and frustrated to state the problem. And positive attitude tends to fish more users to contribute their thoughts and suggestion into thread, and stir up nice discussion.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:28 PM

I didn't think that meme was negative :( it was open ended could be positive or negative, it's for yourself to decide.

 

The mod seems to be a pessimist!

 

But anyways, this thread needs to be locked. lol


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:41 PM

I didn't realize my over optimism would cause so much hassle honestly lol. Also for the little tiny effort Xellie is trying to put to make the game a better place. =)

 

I have my time of being frustrated at how certain things are handled and managed as well, so I am not always sunshine happy about everything. I never said don't raise issues, I mean to just do it constructively and maturely.

 

I didn't report any of the posts by the way. But yeah, this thread is going no where and needs to be locked.

 

Edit: Since I don't feel like making a new post...

I don't think the Mods shuts people up with no good reason. it's just that it is not something that would help make a good impression on the game either for new comers. If I am new and seeing people writing about the server is dying all over, I would be reluctant to start playing on this server myself. At least that's what happened to me with mRO just last year, I visited their forum, checked to see if there were any updates, all I saw were people crying Dead Server, Dead Town. I just closed that site and looked into iRO instead.

And Kingjoe, they weren't making constructive suggestions on how to make the game better, they were just mocking at this thread is a sign the server is dying and mocking others who were trying to be optimistic. =p


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:48 PM

I wished I knew how to read korean so I can play kro =.= Been taking a week break from the game now because it's so boring and broken. Just checking forum sometimes and help newbies if possible. And now mods are shutting ppl up when they are giving opinions so the gms can make the game better. The mods should think that it takes 2 hands to clap. Ppl don't complain about anything they like don't they? Now I just dont feel like coming back anymore.

@xellie: Please tell the new person that I say good luck on his iRO journey
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:09 PM

I'm happy to hear that your Facebook friend is progressing along nicely :)


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:46 AM

 

Edit: Since I don't feel like making a new post...

I don't think the Mods shuts people up with no good reason. it's just that it is not something that would help make a good impression on the game either for new comers. If I am new and seeing people writing about the server is dying all over, I would be reluctant to start playing on this server myself. At least that's what happened to me with mRO just last year, I visited their forum, checked to see if there were any updates, all I saw were people crying Dead Server, Dead Town. I just closed that site and looked into iRO instead.

And Kingjoe, they weren't making constructive suggestions on how to make the game better, they were just mocking at this thread is a sign the server is dying and mocking others who were trying to be optimistic. =p

 

isnt mRO one of the servers that closed down though? so looks like they were right. the server was dying lol. 

 

whats sad is that the private servers have better WoE now than the pay to play/win official server. they do actual smart things that make the game much better and more fun to play for everyone, like disable mvp cards on pvp/woe maps so that everyone can play a balanced game instead of having rich kids spend real life money on third party sites to dominate everyone with a severe handicap. iRO could learn a thing or 2 from the pserver moderators


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:37 AM

The point of my pic was, if you are trying to host a shindig of drinking beer and partying on a boat, and the boat gets a hole in the bottom and starts to sink--- if people start jumping ship and leaving the party because the boat is sinking-- you don't respond by saying "this party is getting boring. I should pretend the boat isn't sinking and try to trick more people to come back onto the boat to get this party lively again". You should respond with "I better patch this goddamn hole so people will want to come back on board!".


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#40 Xellie

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:41 AM

No you strip to your swimwear and continue partying, dummy.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 04:04 AM

And Kingjoe, they weren't making constructive suggestions on how to make the game better, they were just mocking at this thread is a sign the server is dying and mocking others who were trying to be optimistic. =p


Like I said it takes 2 hands to clap. You can't blame the angry players alone that make the game die-ing. I honestly enjoyed playing last time before the merge. 2years back? There was one little flame in my heart that makes me excited/happy/anxious/hyper playing RO. Those cute little characters and monsters just makes my heart jumps faster. It was when:

1. The GM's are not as greedy as now
2. You can take 2TI's at once without paying for vip
3. You actually go to the real maps for TI
4. You can feel the warm hearts of other players when you ask them to warp you to the TI map and they happily agreed
5. Tickets get replied within a day
6. The support teams are the friendliest person. I still remember a few of the support team ppl actually had a little conversation with me when my issue takes a few days.
7. Players help each other especially in quests. Last time when zeldy's quest first came out, I still remember the high lvl players would make a small party with newbies for the curse sword or aeon's kill count and you can find ppl all the time!
8. There's not much bug
9. Little bots too
10. You can always find a party to lvl with in orc dungeon
11. Event quests are always different and not recycled

I was in the ygg server where the average population is only 800ppl so it's not the population to be blamed for the die-ing game. It's both the community and GM. Everything keeps going downhill now. You can't blame the community when they are pampered by gms with especially with real money with:
1. TI's now with custom maps
2. Almost everything needs VIP to be fun
3. GMs just put all the high end gears in the lucky box so ppl keep buying it and even newbies can have superb gears
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:16 AM

Honestly, I'm not really interested in posting here further because of how negative the community is. It is a drag to read all these complains all day long. I was a much more happier player before I discovered the forum. xD lol. So with that I am going to be cutting down my activities on the forum in the near future. But I will try and conclude my opinion here and move on. :x

 

tldr

 

Spoiler

Anyways, I am sure not everyone will agree with my points, but I'm just going to have to rest my case here and spend my time elsewhere more benefitting. >.< Dealing with the negativity here is so much more daunting and frustrating than playing ingame Hard mode. 

 

Sigh.


Edited by WarlockFier, 23 August 2013 - 05:22 AM.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:05 PM

For every 1 person recruited to RO there will be 10 trolls trying to run them off then turn around and blame WP for not advertising, blah blah blah...community etiquette goes a long way too


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 02:25 PM

For every 1 person recruited to RO there will be 10 trolls trying to run them off then turn around and blame WP for not advertising, blah blah blah...community etiquette goes a long way too

 

please don't delude yourself. you don't need anybody on the forums to make your customers run off. you manage damn well on your own.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 02:57 PM

lol +2
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:05 PM

This thread is just turning bad. Thank you for Killedbytofu and others for offering constructive feedback. Currently we are working on revamping the training grounds for renewal in order to provide a better experience for new users. Once that is done we will start working on revamping the classic training grounds in order to also provide a better experience for new users.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:06 PM

I think I proved my point quite nicely


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