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#1 maynoth

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:36 PM

I am a level 47 sorcerer.   I have maxed all the skills I really care about.   I will have 3 more points remaining.  

 

I would like to maximize DPS as best I can.

 

 

Do I choose:

 

 

 

A. Jupitel Thunder Mastery 1/3  and Cold Bolt 4/5

 

or

 

B.  Jupitel Thunder Mastery 2/3  and Cold Bolt 3/5

 

 

I am leaning towards A, but I am curious if there is some flaw in my logic that might lead to better dps via JTM


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#2 Snowberries01

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

Jupiter Thunder Mastery 2/3 - 13% chance of instant casting Jupiter Thunder.

Jupiter Thunder Mastery 3/3 - 15% chance of instant casting Jupiter Thunder.

That's all I'm saying.
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#3 maynoth

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 05:55 PM

Great observation I updated the question thanks. 

 

 

Jupiter Thunder Mastery 2/3 - 13% chance of instant casting Jupiter Thunder.

Jupiter Thunder Mastery 3/3 - 15% chance of instant casting Jupiter Thunder.

That's all I'm saying.

 


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#4 maynoth

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:18 PM

Wind emblem grants me a 30% chance (each time cold bolt hits) of doing 2X damage with JT and/or VS.

 

So assuming I get double damage JT will hit for 128% and VS will hit for 160%

 

However very often it takes 5 or 6 casts of cold bolt to trigger the double damage proc so I am spamming cold bold a lot to trigger it.

 

JTM is nice because it takes 2 seconds to cast JT normally but with JTM's proc it's instant. 

 

 

But I am thinking that cold bolt damage would be more important in the long run. 

 

I have no math to back that up just my gut feeling.  

 

So basically this boils down to a choice between:

 

3% more cold bolt damage

 

or

 

6% higher chance of JT being an instant cast (could be wasted if I can't get 2X damage to proc)

 

 

 

 

wait.. I did some bad calculations.. lemme think this over..

 

 


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:21 PM

I cast JT and or VS only when target is frozen or I get 2X damage proc.

JT takes 2 seconds to cast normally.

 

If JTM procs JT instant casts so it shaves off 2 seconds. 

 

Cold bolt casts every 0.5 seconds and I have to spam it a lot to trigger 2X damage proc.

 

 

CB 3/5-  32%

CB 4/5-  35%

 

The difference is 3%

 

JT 5/5- 64%

 

You need to cast CB 4/5 21 times( 3% x 21 times= 63%) in order to have the damage of a JT. So 21 cast CB 4/5 to equal to 1 JT. In 105 hits, you have enough damage of 5 JT with the difference in levels.

 

JTM 1/3- 7%

JTM 2/3- 13%

 

The difference is 6%, so in 100 hits you get 6 less JTs with JTM 1/3 than 2/3. 6 JTs is better than 5 JTs worth of damage from the level difference in 100 hits.

 

In conclusion, you get more damage with 2/3 JTM than 1/3 JTM( though, they're pretty close).
 

 


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 06:24 PM

That changes everything.. I thought it's an automatic cast! Lemme do some more math..


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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:08 PM

Wind emblem grants me a 30% chance (each time cold bolt hits) of doing 2X damage with JT and/or VS.

 

So assuming I get double damage JT will hit for 128% and VS will hit for 160%

 

However very often it takes 5 or 6 casts of cold bolt to trigger the double damage proc so I am spamming cold bold a lot to trigger it.

 

JTM is nice because it takes 2 seconds to cast JT normally but with JTM's proc it's instant. 

 

 

But I am thinking that cold bolt damage would be more important in the long run. 

 

I have no math to back that up just my gut feeling.  

 

So basically this boils down to a choice between:

 

3% more cold bolt damage

 

or

 

6% higher chance of JT being an instant cast (could be wasted if I can't get 2X damage to proc)

 

30% for 2x damage with thunder skills.. So basically, it's 1.3x for thunder skills(30% of an extra 100% damage is 30% more damage on average.)

 

1.3x of JT is 83%. This is the average damage of a JT, from when it doesn't 2x and when it does 2x.

 

 

1/3 JTM- 100/ 7 = 14 hits for instant cast JT

 

Therefore, 14 casts of 4/5 CB = 490% + 83%( from JT)= 573% with the total of 15 casts.

573%/ 15 casts= 38.2% ~ 38% per cast.

 

 

2/3 JTM- 100/ 13= 7.6 ~ 8 hits for instant cast JT

 

Therefore, 8 casts of 3/5 CB= 256% + 83%( from JT)= 339% with the total of 9 casts.

339%/ 9 casts= 37.666...% ~ 38% per cast.

 

In conclusion, I think both are about the same DPS. 1/3 JTM and 4/5 CB seems to have more DPS in a long battle. Your damage is more bursting with 2/3 JTM and 3/5 CB, though. Not sure if my math is right, but I am too tired to care anymore.. :p_swt:

 

GL with your question.. I am done.. xD

 


Edited by ZT0100, 24 August 2013 - 07:17 PM.

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#8 maynoth

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:48 PM

eh well no.

 

I do 128% damage with JT and 160% damage with VS.

 

That is the actual damage % they do when I have either frozen status, or double damage proc from wind emblem. 

 

 

To get wind emblem to proc however I have to spam cold bolt as it's a 30% chance each time, that I will get the 2X damage proc.    

 

So when it does proc I get to cast VS and JT at 160% and 128% respectively. 

 

JTM  (if it procs) speeds up the cast time of JT (instant cast vs 2 second cast),  so 2 seconds is saved (assume it proced from cold bolt, and it has only a 13% chance to proc)

 

Cold Bolt is a 0.5 second cast and at 4/5 would do 35% damage, at 3/5 it would do 32% damage.

 

Connecting (not missing) with cold bolt is necessary (sometimes 5-6 times)  to get the proc I need for 2X damage, or JTM for instant cast of JT.


Thank you though, I understand it's super confusing and I am probably explaining it awful lol.


Edited by maynoth, 24 August 2013 - 07:50 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:53 PM

Basically putting one point into JTM will increase it's odds of proc(ing) by 6% for a total of a 13% chance to proc every time cold bolt hits (not misses), when it procs it will shave off the two second cast time for a JT (if I have the 2x damage proc from wind emblem as well).  

 

The alternative to this would be +3% damage to cold bolt. 

 

 

That's the choice basically.

 

Damage percentages for JT and VS remain the same as they are not cast without frozen status or 2X damage proc up.  


Edited by maynoth, 24 August 2013 - 08:11 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:10 PM

eh well no.

 

I do 128% damage with JT and 160% damage with VS.

 

That is the actual damage % they do when I have either frozen status, or double damage proc from wind emblem. 

 

 

To get wind emblem to proc however I have to spam cold bolt as it's a 30% chance each time, that I will get the 2X damage proc.    

 

So when it does proc I get to cast VS and JT at 160% and 128% respectively. 

 

JTM  (if it procs) speeds up the cast time of JT (instant cast vs 2 second cast),  so 2 seconds is saved (assume it proced from cold bolt, and it has only a 13% chance to proc)

 

Cold Bolt is a 0.5 second cast and at 4/5 would do 35% damage, at 3/5 it would do 32% damage.

 

Connecting (not missing) with cold bolt is necessary (sometimes 5-6 times)  to get the proc I need for 2X damage, or JTM for instant cast of JT.


Thank you though, I understand it's super confusing and I am probably explaining it awful lol.

 

Well, yeah.. I don't play the class, but I think I have an idea from what you said. I mean, you probably use JT when JTM procs even without the 2x from WE, right? My calculation there was assuming that you use JT whenever JTM procs, with or without 2x from Wind Emblem. That's the whole purpose of deciding whether to get 1/3 or 2/3 JTM, don't you think so?

 

Ah well, sorry for wasting your time. I tried. hahaha.. With this weird math aside, I think 4/5 CB is more DPS because you spam it most of the time. Plus, JTM doesn't apply to VS, and you do use VS when you get 2x from WE over JT, I think...

 


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#11 maynoth

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:11 PM

ya np thanks :)


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:25 PM

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:47 PM

should this be in the Class Discussion?
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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:41 PM

All the Maths makes my brains hurt.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:16 AM

What is your build? For DPS CB should be at lvl 5, JT mastery should be at lvl 2, VS should be lvl 5, and JT should be lvl 3.


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#16 maynoth

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:43 AM

Right well in an ideal world I'd be able to go to level 53 or so and max out ever single skill I want. 

 

I have LoR, HW, EE, JT, and VS all maxed.   At level 50 I will be able to choose from:

 

CB will be 4/5 and JTM 1/3

 

or

 

CB 3/5 and JTM 2/3

 

 

I am trying to figure out which would have a bigger impact on DPS of those two options.

 

 

What is your build? For DPS CB should be at lvl 5, JT mastery should be at lvl 2, VS should be lvl 5, and JT should be lvl 3.

 


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:13 AM

Should go for JTM level 1 and Cold Bolt level 4. 

And I love how you mathematize things, it answered all my questions regarding Sorc's DPS. Thanks!


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:47 AM

I agree, you need 4 in CB(or as many as you can spare). Since you cant freeze bosses you dmg comes from spaming

CB so that wind arms will proc.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

I agree, you need 4 in CB(or as many as you can spare). Since you cant freeze bosses you dmg comes from spaming

CB so that wind arms will proc.

 

Bosses can now be frozen with embus pet. Gives huge damage boost to sorcs - 3 sorcs 1 ranger is now better than 2 sorcs 2 rangers in raids no contest.


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Posted 11 September 2013 - 05:16 AM

I reworked my skills and ditched my LoV and that gave me enough for CB 5/5 and JTM 2/3.


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 08:50 AM

Check my Sorcerer's skills and stats.. a pure DPS and a Pure Healer  :D Colo pwner + dungeon healer.. and tell me wut you guys think  :p_idea: 

http://www.ro2base.c...0.1.8/0.0.0.0.0


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