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[CarpD]

Basically, if you look at all the defense buffs you can do, 90% only reflect short-range.

Battle Grocer = only short range def buff.
Mob item drop = only short range def buff.
Other def buff skills:
- Spiritual Intensification = short range
- Fairy's Protection = short range

We need more def buff but needs to be for long range.

Edited by CarpD, 27 October 2010 - 10:35 AM.

[Loyalty1]

A lot of buffs will also give LR defense in the next skill balance.

Oh also, Ion Shield does give LR defense.

Edited by Loyalty1, 27 October 2010 - 09:24 AM.

[Nadesh]

What they need to do is to add a penalty for use the range extention skills: yes yes, they move slower but that isnt enough.

For the defense, yes, it would be a good thing to have more long range buffs.

[CarpD]

Corrected.

[Famous]

moving slow as-_- is pretty annoying imo

[Insanita]

moving slow as-_- is pretty annoying imo

But from 50m they usually just sit in 1 spot anyway xD

& as for ranger being OP.. I say definitely. It's been proven because they rule the BGs and often have the best kill to death ratio (usually most in kills by a LOT.) Long range def would help ><

Edited by Insanita, 27 October 2010 - 12:51 PM.

[Nadesh]

That is why i said to put the penalty in the range extention, because they maybe be kings in pvp but they have a hard time in pve: it wouldnt be nice to make it hardder for them in pve. For the other side, yes, long range defense is a strange thing, the defense buffs give both or only short defense: the one that is the oposite is the warlord buff but is a self buff.

[tally]

What do you expect on a class that has to compromise all HP, defence and resistance to get damage to rival a caster?

Rangers only get high kills when working in a team. And rooting them out is what sins, SRs, other rangers etc excel at.

Solo PvP sucks face. Ranger trying to fight 2 v 1 results in death.

I agree with Carp's point tho, more buffs should include long range too. Main one being a prot's! But yea rumour rumour says that's changing anyways. Although I find the most common (party) defence buff in PvP is a radi's Divine Protection, which does include long range def.

Also as a side point, it's XX annoying having half a bag worth of storage lost to ammo <.<

I figure rangers are not as OP as other classes, but even then, the focus shouldn't be on nerfing, but promoting the skills of the other less fortunate classes.

[Confused]

Battle Grocer = only short range def buff.
Mob item drop = only short range def buff.

I don't understand these two to be honest. They forgot to add or something?

[Insanita]

Rangers only get high kills when working in a team.

I agree with most of what you said, but most PvP is in a team with at least 3-4 ppl right next to you. Plus at a 50m range, they don't really need much resist cuz they have a 30m escape just in case. You won't find yourself in many 1 vs 1 situations because most rangers just sit behind the rest of their team.

[tally]

most PvP is in a team with at least 3-4 ppl right next to you. Plus at a 50m range, they don't really need much resist cuz they have a 30m escape just in case. You won't find yourself in many 1 vs 1 situations because most rangers just sit behind the rest of their team.

Very true! Unless you're in Strongest then your team in nowhere to be seen lmao. I have 18m escape, rarely use it as I find even that is too far to dash back. When (if) I level I need to lose more skill points in it anyways, prob down to 10m, or not take it at all.

At my level I have 38m range without Fixed Firing, and 46m with it - I find it's plenty for supporting from behind my team's lines, but if I get stranded the extra 16m I have over casters isn't enough to kill any casters really before I get squooshed by 1-2-1 bolt -_-e

Then again my ranger doesn't have amazing gear so meh I probably deserve the roasting.

The biggest reason IMO rangers seem so overpowered in PvP is because people seem to stack up resistance and not defence... and as the OP said, there's a lack of Long Range Defence buffs to compensate.

At the end of the day it's pretty futile hoping classes in this game will ever be balanced, we have to deal with what we've got

[Styx]

If they nerf ranger, what will be next class you will QQ about guys? Defilers? Sins? Tempests? Zerkers? Why you still QQ, why you just dont stop.

[Insanita]

If they nerf ranger, what will be next class you will QQ about guys? Defilers? Sins? Tempests? Zerkers? Why you still QQ, why you just dont stop.

True, there will always be a class to complain about BUT they need to fix the ones that make such a big difference in PvP. I'm talking about classes that are always on top of the PvP list in kill to death ratio. Once kills begin to even out, there will be less crying.

[Loyalty1]

True, there will always be a class to complain about BUT they need to fix the ones that make such a big difference in PvP. I'm talking about classes that are always on top of the PvP list in kill to death ratio. Once kills begin to even out, there will be less crying.

Radiants don't get much kills...!

[Insanita]

Radiants don't get much kills...!

I was talking about classes that are killers not the top support class >.<

[Crftwise]

With pumpkin event no reason to do any sorta PVP battlefield for like a year. Unless bored or want to show off $$$...

[Loyalty1]

With pumpkin event no reason to do any sorta PVP battlefield for like a year. Unless bored or want to show off $$...

Not everyone is a Tempest or Defiler you know.

[Nadesh]

As i see it, a nerf isnt needed but maybe a balance in some things.

1. Hunter classes may be oped but dont forget that their pb sucks.

2. Rangers are oped in pvp but they have a hard time in pve. If they nerf something important, they may hurt them a lot more in pve. That is why i said that they should put penaltys in their range extention skills, that are more used in pvp than pve.

3. The other thing is to improve what the OP said. Add a Long Range Defense Power I-VII in the Battlefield Grocer or make the one we have there, for short and long range. Also add more mob drops that give long range defense, and maybe make the Warlord long range defense buff a party skill: this also could make Warlords more useful in pvp.

[Confused]

Will the protector defense buff include long range defense later? If yes then I can't wait to see 2k long range defense when I have protector+radiant buff and laugh at their damage :X

[Loyalty1]

Will the protector defense buff include long range defense later? If yes then I can't wait to see 2k long range defense when I have protector+radiant buff and laugh at their damage :X

Soon.

[XRay]

Will the protector defense buff include long range defense later? If yes then I can't wait to see 2k long range defense when I have protector+radiant buff and laugh at their damage :X

you'll laugh at my dmg too?

[Confused]

you'll laugh at my dmg too?

If you don't have -750 def...

[XRay]

wut if I have BL

[TmzOS]

Make a ranger and lvl up him... u will see the OP rage, and much stress.

Ok nerf Rangers... but .. get off dura amulet/holy bliss from shamys/elems and reduce the dmg from ALL MAGIC CLASSES ... bla ... bla bla...


If u play battlefields u can see some magic chars with a great LR defense.


Give more defense and make null the ranger attack. MAGIC SUPREMACY... oh, a fireball!



Reduce trap dmg too, ok? ... and Delete the pb quests from hunters.

[Nadesh]

Will the protector defense buff include long range defense later? If yes then I can't wait to see 2k long range defense when I have protector+radiant buff and laugh at their damage :X

Yes, it will be great, but we not always have a Prot or Radiant to buff us. Ofc, we dont ask to get as much defense by ourselves, but i think that the request of a long range defense buff from the battlefield merchant isnt too much to ask, after all, there is one for short range defense there.