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#1 Ralis

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Posted 19 October 2014 - 10:32 PM

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School has started up again, and that means it's time to get your brain back in shape!

 

Every Wednesday, at some varying point of the day, I'll be posting some sort of weekly challenge for you to figure out. Each week brings a new puzzle: it may be a math problem, a riddle or something else entirely. Whatever it may be, you'll have to use a little (or a lot of) brain power to figure it out.

These puzzles may require knowledge outside of Ragnarok! Anyone is capable of finding the answer, but I cannot guarantee you will always know what to do if you have little to no understanding of Ragnarok, computers, math, science, etc.

 

The competition is open to both servers! Chaos Renewal and Classic Loki players may both enter their answers. It may help you to know, then, that the answer to each challenge will be something that can be found by players of both servers.

 

Correct answers may win a prize at the end of the week. However, only a certain number of prizes can be given out and all correct answers are entered into the prize pool. Please do not try and use multiple accounts to get better odds! We check account connections. If you're caught doing this, you will be automatically disqualified from present and future competitions... Including OTHER events on the forums as well.

 

Correct answers that are not chosen for the weekly prize will gain points depending on how many people get the correct answer! When you've saved up 20 points (points will be kept track in the 3rd post of each thread), you can PM me any time during the week to trade your points in for the current week's prize. You may only trade in points once a week for a single prize, so keep that in mind if you're trying to save up for a "better" prize. Winners of the weekly prize may PM me by the end of the week to opt out of the weekly prize, instead receiving he amount of points awarded as a participation prize for that week, up to a total of 20.

 

Please keep in mind that the theme for each week is not always a factor in figuring out the puzzle. This does not mean that it will never have an impact, but rather that you should not assume that you must travel to a location or that the answer must fit the theme given in that week's conundrum.

 

Please do not post or PM your answers. Use the link below the challenge to submit answers!

 

You may freely adjust your entry until each week's deadline.

 

Helpful links:

 

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I don't consider search engines cheating. You will never find the answer directly, but always use your resources!

 

Please do not ask questions related to this week's challenge on the forums. Questions regarding the competition as a whole are fine, but we want to avoid any hints or answers being posted directly on the forums!

 

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Week 10: Ice Bin Challenge [ 10/22 - 10/28 ]

 

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While exploring the Ice Dungeon, you've accidentally awoken Ktullanux, who is not very happy.

 

"Graaaawwwrrrr!" he roars. "Who dares to wake me from my slumber? I will protect this cavern and devour anyone who dares intrude on this sacred ground!"

 

"Please, Mr. Ktullanux," you plead, "I'm just a helpless adventurer! I didn't mean to intrude on anything, honest! Please don't eat me!"

 

Ktullanux sizes you up, and decides that you don't look very appetizing anyway. "Very well, I shall let you leave. But first you must solve my puzzle! If you are correct, I will let you leave... And I may even reward you for your cunning."

 

Ktullanux materializes a box out of the ice in the cavern and tells you that you must tilt it either left, right, up or down in order to move the number 5 cube on top of or over the red square. Any cube other the number 5 cube that passes over or comes to stop on top of the red square will melt completely and be out of play. When you tilt the box in any of the four directions, all of the numbered cubes will slide in that direction until they hit the wall or another cube. The grey cubes are immovable: they will not change location no matter what direction you tilt the box, but they will stop the numbered cubes if they come into contact with them.

 

In addition, the numbers on the cubes represent the numbers of times they can be moved before freezing in place. For example, if your first move is "Up", the number 1 cube will freeze in place in the top right corner of the box and will no longer move in subsequent tilts. This also means that you have a maximum of five moves to get the number 5 cube to the red square! Even if a cube does not change positions during a move, the timer will still count down; if your first move is Right, the number 1 cube will freeze in place where it is at. At least one cube needs to change location for a move to count.

 

What is the solution to the puzzle? Abbreviate each move according to the first letter of the direction so that your answer consists of one to five letters. For example, if the solution is "Up, Left, Down, Right" enter "ULDR".

 

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This week's prize:

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Ice Cream Hat

 

The competition ends Tuesday, October 28th at 11:59 PM PST! Good luck!

 

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:16 AM

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Week 9: Paradox [ 10/15 - 10/21 ]

 

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Unfortunately I've been a little busy with school this week and the new Conundrum slipped my mind until about fifteen minutes ago, which just isn't enough time for me to come up with and thoroughly test a new puzzle!

 

So, for this week, I'm going to let you all decide what the correct answer is... Sort of. You see, it will be a sort of paradox: there will be no correct answer until people have guessed the correct answer. Kind of strange, isn't it?

 

Anyway, sorry about this week... and may the odds be ever in your favor.

 

What percentage of the answers to this week's Conundrum will be correct? Round to the nearest whole number.

 

Example: If you believe everyone will answer the same number, enter 100 or 100%.

 

(If there is no correct answer, I'll take the next closest answer)

 

This week's prize:

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10x Bloody Branch

 

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The correct answer for this week ended up being 4%.

 

Here's a breakdown of everything that received three or more answers for the week. 81 people submitted answers.

 

7% - 8 (10% of total responses)

3% - 5 (6% of total responses)

1% - 5 (6% of total responses)

50% - 4 (5% of total responses)

100% - 3 (4% of total responses)

17% - 3 (4% of total responses)

9% - 3 (4% of total responses)

4% - 3 (4% of total responses)

 

2% and 0% both had 1 response each, which rounds to 1% of the total responses.

 

As you can see, 4% of the respondents answered 4%... Making 4% this week's winning answer.


Obviously, then, there were 3 correct answers this week. All three of them are winners:

kijanta, jamdonutjam and Saffire!

Congratulations!

 

Please check your mail or inventory on the character you listed on the answer page for your prize. Please give Oda until next week's maintenance to deliver prizes! If you would like to opt to not receive this week's prize and instead receive 20 points (essentially redeemable for a future prize of your choice), please PM me before the end of the week.

 

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:23 AM

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These are the points players have earned so far. If you do not want your points displayed, PM me and I will keep track of them privately.

 

No one has any points yet!

 

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Happy Birthday to the Following Players:

 

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Week 9: Paradox [ 10/15 - 10/21 ]

Week 8: Scavenger Hunt [ 10/8 - 10/14 ]

Week 7: Pyramid Scheme [ 10/1 - 10/7 ]

Week 6: Where in the World [ 9/24 - 9/30 ]

Week 5: Trouble With Tiles [ 9/17 - 9/23 ]

Week 4: A Colorful Conundrum [ 9/10 - 9/16 ]

Week 3: Unlock the Safe [ 9/3 - 9/9 ]

Week 2: As The Kasa Flies [ 8/27 - 9/2 ]

Week 1: Mystery Picture [ 8/20 - 8/26 ]

 

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:20 PM

Glad the last one worked out to an exact answer. :D A lot of close answers, though.

 

Good luck on this week's puzzle!


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:31 PM

In addition, the numbers on the cubes represent the numbers of times they can be moved before freezing in place. For example, if your first move is "Up", the number 1 cube will freeze in place in the top right corner of the box and will no longer move in subsequent tilts. This also means that you have a maximum of five moves to get the number 5 cube to the red square!

If a cube doesn't move because there's an adjacent obstacle in the direction of the tilt, is its lifespan still decreased? I'm assuming the answer is "yes" because you said there's a maximum of five moves, but it wouldn't hurt to clarify.
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Posted 21 October 2014 - 10:36 PM

Yes, its lifespan still ticks down.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 02:10 AM

Hmm... So going by your example, "Up, Left, Down, Right", cube 1~5 will simultaneously move Up, then cube 2~5 will simultaneously move Left, then cube 3~5 will simultaneously move Down, then cube 4 & 5 will simultaneously move Right.

The final condition would look like this

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Am I interpreting this correctly?

Until an hour ago, I was interpreting that we should move the cubes one by one in sequentially according to the number so the answer might consists 15 words...


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 03:46 AM

in order to move the number 5 cube on top of or over the red square. 

 

 

On top or over the red square is a bit vague.. For example, bottom right of number  5 cube touches top left of red square, could be counted as 'over the red square' too?

 

But I think you mean as long as the number 5 cube comes into contact, touching any of the red square's sides, right? 

 

 Any cube other the number 5 cube that passes over or comes to stop on top of the red square will melt completely and be out of play 

 

For example,  number 4 cube is at the west wall, on top of the row that red square is, if I tilt right, number 4 cube passes by the red square's top side, will it melt?

 

Or do you mean, it will only melt if the cube knocks/hits the red square?

If that's the case, then I think you should change this to "Any cube other than the number 5 cube that knocks/hits red square will melt completely and be out of play"? 


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 04:02 AM

On top or over the red square is a bit vague.. For example, bottom right of number  5 cube touches top left of red square, could be counted as 'over the red square' too?
 
But I think you mean as long as the number 5 cube comes into contact, touching any of the red square's sides, right? 
 
 
For example,  number 4 cube is at the west wall, on top of the row that red square is, if I tilt right, number 4 cube passes by the red square's top side, will it melt?
 
Or do you mean, it will only melt if the cube knocks/hits the red square?
If that's the case, then I think you should change this to "Any cube other than the number 5 cube that knocks/hits red square will melt completely and be out of play"?

My understanding is that--unlike the gray squares--the red square doesn't prevent any of the numbered squares from occupying the same space. Thus, #1-4 will melt only if they slide into the red square. Likewise, you win when #5 goes into the red square, regardless of whether there is an immovable square next to it to stop its movement.
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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:07 AM

 

The correct answer for this week ended up being 4%.

 

Here's a breakdown of everything that received three or more answers for the week. 81 people submitted answers.

 

7% - 8 (10% of total responses)

3% - 5 (6% of total responses)

1% - 5 (6% of total responses)

50% - 4 (5% of total responses)

100% - 3 (4% of total responses)

17% - 3 (4% of total responses)

9% - 3 (4% of total responses)

4% - 3 (4% of total responses)

 

2% and 0% both had 1 response each, which rounds to 1% of the total responses.

 

As you can see, 4% of the respondents answered 4%... Making 4% this week's winning answer.


Obviously, then, there were 3 correct answers this week. All three of them are winners:

kijanta, jamdonutjam and Saffire!

Congratulations!

 

Am I the only one confused by this "answer"? Why would 4% be the correct answer, when you show 3 people answered 4%, & that total came to 4%? There are 3 other numbers, that only had 3 people answer, & those totals are also 3%.

 

My "guess" isn't even listed. It seems to me that each percentage guessed would have to be dived somehow to get the answer.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:11 AM

Am I the only one confused by this "answer"? Why would 4% be the correct answer, when you show 3 people answered 4%, & that total came to 4%? There are 3 other numbers, that only had 3 people answer, & those totals are also 3%.

 

My "guess" isn't even listed. It seems to me that each percentage guessed would have to be dived somehow to get the answer.

 

81 people submitted answers

 
Answers people submitted/The number of people who submitted the answer/% of people submitted the answer over total number of people submitted to the challenge
7% - 8 (10% of total responses)
3% - 5 (6% of total responses)
1% - 5 (6% of total responses)
50% - 4 (5% of total responses)
100% - 3 (4% of total responses)
17% - 3 (4% of total responses)
9% - 3 (4% of total responses)
4% - 3 (4% of total responses)

 

 

3 people submitted the answer 4%, 3 divided by 81 = ~ 3.7% round off to 4%


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:18 AM

All of the cubes move as far in the direction as they can go when you tilt the board. Think of it like a literal 3D puzzle: If you tilt the board to the right, all of the cubes that CAN move WILL move.

 

Ren is correct; a cube has to pass over or land on the red square to melt. If the number 5 cube passes over it, you've won.

 

Spike, your board is a little off. If you first move was up the number 1 cube would be in the far top right corner.

 

Razzez, the goal was the make the percentage of correct answers match the percentage you guessed. Hence, 4% of the people that entered guessed 4% and that was the only answer that was exactly equal... So it won.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:26 AM

The puzzle is pretty easy to understand. Some problems with it may stem from not having played an actual game consisting of similar elements, but a little imagination does the trick.

 

The blue blocks are ice (slippery), the red blocks are fire (melt's ice), and the gray blocks are rocks (immobile). Then the counter is just a part of the rules, furthermore, not all immobile objects are rocks, they can be ice formations (blue block with 0). Now just imagine tilting a platform with all said objects, in which the blue blocks become static ice formations upon reaching 0, going through fire melts the the ice, and at the end of five moves the only blue block left has to slip through the fire to win (unless you did it in less turns). Fin!


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:33 AM

Need to clarify another aspect a little more clearly I guess: at least one cube has to change locations to count as a "move". Nothing will tick down if no cubes can change locations on your move. For example, you cannot go right two times in a row because nothing will change location.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 06:33 AM

Too easy :(


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:00 AM

Need to clarify another aspect a little more clearly I guess: at least one cube has to change locations to count as a "move". Nothing will tick down if no cubes can change locations on your move. For example, you cannot go right two times in a row because nothing will change location.

 

Ah, I'm one of the culprits misinterpreting that one. Either way, didn't take too long to alter it for a quick fix!


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 07:08 AM

81 people submitted answers

 
Answers people submitted/The number of people who submitted the answer/% of people submitted the answer over total number of people submitted to the challenge
7% - 8 (10% of total responses)
3% - 5 (6% of total responses)
1% - 5 (6% of total responses)
50% - 4 (5% of total responses)
100% - 3 (4% of total responses)
17% - 3 (4% of total responses)
9% - 3 (4% of total responses)
4% - 3 (4% of total responses)

 

 

3 people submitted the answer 4%, 3 divided by 81 = ~ 3.7% round off to 4%

 

 


Razzez, the goal was the make the percentage of correct answers match the percentage you guessed. Hence, 4% of the people that entered guessed 4% and that was the only answer that was exactly equal... So it won.

 

So it wasn't based at all of the numbers submitted? Only the amount of answers? That wasn't clear at all then :/

 

 

What percentage of the answers to this week's Conundrum will be correct? Round to the nearest whole number.

 

Maybe this should have said guess the percentage to the total number of answers instead... The correct part was confusing...

Oh well it's over & the prize was no big deal.

 

 

Is the prize this week a special hat? I haven't seen it before if not it must be old.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 08:34 AM

Is the prize this week a special hat? I haven't seen it before if not it must be old.

 

It's old. I have one laying around in storage somewhere.

I didn't correctly understand last week's either. Oh well.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:13 AM

KA: Think of this one as a beginning puzzle. I have one for in a few weeks with double the cubes.
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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:24 AM

I did it in my head making visual images, couldn't use the program to edit images that I usually use so I wrote it down on mah brain.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:35 AM

I did it in my head making visual images, couldn't use the program to edit images that I usually use so I wrote it down on mah brain.

 

I just used simple MS Paint. lol

 

I really liked this one. Reminded me of some of the puzzles in the Zelda games. :)


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:05 AM

Why are people posting information on how to solve this & helping others?

 

 

Questions regarding the competition as a whole are fine, but we want to avoid any hints or answers being posted directly on the forums!

 


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:25 AM

Ralis I know you have tried to clarify this & there are a lot of others that asked for information on this. I still don't get a couple of things. Do all numbers have to be moved & do they have to be moved the maximum number of spaces? Also can they be move twice? For example if the 4 was moved 2 spaces, & then tilted to the wall, would it still have 2 moves left?


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 10:51 AM

Why are people posting information on how to solve this & helping others?

 

 

Ralis I know you have tried to clarify this & there are a lot of others that asked for information on this. I still don't get a couple of things. Do all numbers have to be moved & do they have to be moved the maximum number of spaces? Also can they be move twice? For example if the 4 was moved 2 spaces, & then tilted to the wall, would it still have 2 moves left?

 

:heh:

 

To answer your question, if you tilt the board up, all the numbered boxes would move up, until they either hit an immovable box, the wall, or hit the red box, which would "melt" them (boxes that "melt" are gone totally... they'd no longer exist.) Even if the #1 box didn't move, it would basically turn into an unmovable box after that (as long as at least 1 box moves.) Then, on the second turn, if you tilt the board to the right, all numbered boxes (except for #1, which is immovable now, and any "melted" boxes) would move to the right until they hit an immovable box, an immovable numbered box (#1 in this case), the wall, or pass over the red box, which melts it. After this turn, the #2 box also becomes an unmovable box.

 

If the #5 box stops on or passes over the red box on or before the fifth turn, you've solved the puzzle. Hope that helps to clarify this for everyone. Good luck!  :thumb2:


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 11:01 AM

^ that has nothing to do with what I asked :)


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