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#1 Nadesh

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:58 AM

Well, we had tons of threads about this in the old forum, and i believe that the most important aspects to the game to develop are nightmares, possession beasts and the horror.

I had a few new ideas:



Nightmare Dungeons:


"Not with that name but the idea of a nightmare dungeon is going around for long time now. The idea of only be able to access during the nightmare could be nice. A few other ideas from the old threads:

- The mini map could be black in this dungeons, or at least in some places.

- The different party members could start in different places: the problem with this is that some classes have more troubles to solo than others, and could lead to people dont invite x classes to this dungeons, and we alredy have enough of that kind of thing.

- I like the signature of this guy in wich Bin Diesel turn on a torch and all the monsters are around. Well, in that movie the monsters only attack when wasnt any light around. So, the monsters inside the dungeon could only attack when there is no light (except the skills light).

- I like this other movie in wich a room looks in a way when the lights are on, but only can "see" and pass some doors when the lights are off.

- Some monsters are some kind of dummy automatas that move like if were doing something, with a purpose forgotten long time ago. The players cant hit them, and the monster cant hit the players, until the lights go off. This monsters turn in the players direction when they pass at their side, and folow them, and stop when the players dont move, and follow them when the players move (this idea come form an old thread but i cant find it :/).

- The place could be fool of traps like in JS and RoL.

So, the players need the light to see the traps, and compensate the lack of a mini-map, but need the darkness to "open" the doors to continue. Still dont know if the lights should go off randomly or should be an npc item to make the players able to turn the lights on: some sick skill that turn the lights on for a few secs and then the lights go off. Lets said the skill last 5 secs, and there are 5 people in party, then the CD should be 25 secs: this way if there is an overlap or a gap when people cast the skill, the mobs will have a window to attack."
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The Abyss:

"Another idea, a mix of JS and Dogtooth Crevasse, called The Abyss (for example, others can find a good name). Based in the posts about nm dungeons and nm bosses, the idea is implement an open dungeon, a big hole in an open map, like the old Dogtooth Crevasse, but this time with an use. It should be big as the FoC map, full of stone bridges that go from one side to the other but also go down into the darkness. It should be a huge stone bridges maze.

The path is full of monsters and they become strongest as the players go down. At some points maybe some bosses could be found, like in a plataform, there are bones over all the place, and a little hut made of humanoid bones and skin. It should be noticiable the passage, little by little from the daylight to the darkness. They could be screams that become stronger as the players go deeper.

When the darkness become absolute, the mobs should be nightmares, 24hs ones.

The bottom of this place should be full of nightmares and maybe some bosses/ nightmare bosses. It could be passages there, maybe instanced dungeons with other bosses, maybe a raid."
From: Raid bosses and Dungeons


Water:
Based on the thread: New Dungeons of same level

Dungeons flooded with water, and in some parts the players must swim. Maybe add some kind of shark boss and the players must kill it while they swim: so, they fight against the boss and must be healed at all times to dont drown.

It also could be a big room, when the playes enter, the doors close and the room start to get flooded with water (or blood, or some dark liquid). Then tons of mobs start to appear in waves, and the party must kill them all to open the gates and go out before the water reach the roof.


Monsters Invasion:


In an old thread (Nightmare Monster Enhancement (hopefully for Rozen)) i said that the monster could get lvls or a transformation if they kill a player. Now, that could be hard to do, and i was thinking in something new.

Step I: If the players kill x amount of monsters, the monsters in that area start to spawn with more lvl.
Step II: When the playes reach a new amount of the same monster, the game spawn a captain in the area: the captain is like an open world boss but able to buff and have good skills.
Step III: When it reach a new cap, depending on the monster type, the monsters organize an assault to the main town in the area. The assault could come in waves. For example: imagine someone griding in the spider forest and Aranes itself go to attack Plancy Lab.

I think that the event of mobs attacking the towns are great, but since must be actived by the game managers, those dont happen so often. This idea make this events (kill x amount of the same mob) to trigger the invasion. That could make the game more dynamic and interesting, since the attacks could happen at any time, and also can be triggered on purpose for other players.


Monsters Fortress:

Like i suggested in the thread called Goblins, some intelligent races of monsters could have their own fortress/ outposts. This places are full of those monsters and have captains and bosses. It could also be a trigger here: when the casttle is taked (means, all mobs are dead), that race of mobs launch an attack to a city.

"I was thinking in my old suggestion about a total war map (for gvg, faction vs faction or even server vs server), with guild casttles and mob casttles/outposts: the mob fortress could have open world bosses and strong mobs.

Some goblings could mount spiders and the mages and hunters could be placed over towers that watch the walls.

Also they could attack towns and release monsters to unleash the terror: bosses like Aranes for example."
From: Goblins


Mist:

Based in this 2 threads (New NM Monsterand Need more mist), the idea is to have more places with mist. The mist is great, and i remember some places in Crescent, with lots of mist an nightmare monsters, it was scary.

The idea is to add winged monsters that fly at high altitud to lurk the places with mist. This monsters shouldnt spawn often (low spawn rate) that way the players cant be 100% aware of when they will fall.

This idea could also be related to the "Monster Invasion" idea: that way when the players kill x amount of the same mob in the mist, the winged nms fall.


Endurance:

"I was thinking in something like that but for the nightmares. They could come in waves and attack the towns. A quest could be kill 100 nm, the 1st wave come with 16 (when the nm start, 23hs game time), the 2nd with 32 (5 mins later, 0hs game time), the 3rd with 64 (5 mins after the 2nd, 1hs game time): all this for high lvls, the lower lvls ones could be scaled according to the lvl."
From: New Dungeons of same level


Terror:


Some other ideas given before:

Mobs that walk over the walls and roofs (could be good in dungeons), add more traps like the JS and RoL ones, add moving walls that crush the players that pass, and even add floors like the ones in the E wing in JS, but this ones are there and randomly colapse when the players pass (dont know if the game mechanic could do that).


Physical Upgrades:

Like in most horror movies, some ugrade is needed to fight back the evil forces. In some cases is just a weapon, but in others bigger things are needed (no, i wont suggest to ride a battle robot, but isnt that bad idea XD).

The characters have skills and dna for them, but what about to add a new thing, the physical upgrades. The Temperions are Cyborgs, and cyborgs can be the product of someone needed a replace for a body part or someone wanting to upgrade a body part: here i wont talk about add strenght or speed, but about other things.

The Spider: If the monsters in dungeons can walk over the walls and roofs. The first upgrade would be to be able to do that too: of course, it would be limited to dungeons and battlegrounds in closed places (we dont have any).

Imagine to be able to cast a ground aoe over the roof or over a wall, or put a trap there, or even dash and end upside down.

The Jumper: The ability of jump at bigger distances and higher than the chars can do now. Imagine 20m jumps, and be able to reach higher places faster and surprise the enemy.

Night Vision: Only able to be used in nightmare dungeons or other dark places (if are implemented).


Well, those were all the crazy ideas for now. Thx for take the time to read them.


Related threads:
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#2 Overlord

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 07:44 AM

If all those things would be implemented I'd lose my social life forever :unsure:
Sadly for all those things to be implemented it would take lots of time and dedication. And for that you need good developers not lazy cheap developers that we have now.

awesome ideas and things to dream about but with the current dev team it will never happen. :rolleyes:
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 08:03 AM

If all those things would be implemented I'd lose my social life forever :unsure:
Sadly for all those things to be implemented it would take lots of time and dedication. And for that you need good developers not lazy cheap developers that we have now.

awesome ideas and things to dream about but with the current dev team it will never happen. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Nadesh has a lot of really good ideas! But they won't implement the really good ones like this :[
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 08:07 AM

Triggers:

A little more about triggers. I think that there should be more things like that: for example, in the movies and horror games, you open a door or move a corpse or something and things start to happen. Now, in a mmorpg is hard to do that, except for dungeons and quests, since it get predictable and people know how, what and when it will happen.

Because of this, i think in another kind of triggers. As we have quests and events that drop items with x drop rate, we could have triggers that happen with a low "drop rate". This is related to the idea of the invasions to the towns, but also could summon special mobs that attack the area in wich the trigger was activated. In other words, the player kill x mob, and have x chance to trigger an event, the event could be tons of zombies attacking, nightmares, a big fire ball hitting that place, etc.

I think that the triggers with a drop rate could be a good thing, since add the random factor.

(edited):

We alredy have something like this implemented: the PD NM boss. Now, they just need to exploit this.

Have chances that some mob (or mobs) or boss spawn in a place or inside of a dungeon to make it hardder than normal. Or chances that a raid boss cast x skill or move to x place, or summon x mob. Not like now that those things mostly happen with a timer or based on the boss hp: it could have a chance that at x time or x amount of hp happen one of x things, instead of always the same thing.

Physical Upgrades:

A little more about this:

"The Jumper: The ability of jump at bigger distances and higher than the chars can do now. Imagine 20m jumps, and be able to reach higher places faster and surprise the enemy."

Well, this could be cool, but we have dashes alredy. Then, what i was thinking is that this special jump works to climb only. So, it add more height than distance. The other thing it could be increase the distance when the player use the walls for a double jump.

"Night Vision: Only able to be used in nightmare dungeons or other dark places (if are implemented)."

The night vision could last 5 secs to dont kill the purpose of the darkness, and have a 25 sec CD. This way, if you have a party of 5, the must chain the vision, and they must tell what they see with the rest.

Edited by Nadesh, 04 August 2010 - 08:33 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 12:20 PM

This isnt really horror but it give more immersion in the game world. Herds of mounts in the early morning and afternoon randomly spawning on different parts of each map. Running through or passing by towns like trifiri, rozen, alban. Give avengers the ability to capture the mounts and sell them in ah with random speed % generator. they could attack towns as well only attacking ppl on mounts to save their lost kin. as far as im concerned they could chase someone all over the map if they are on a mount.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 06:15 AM

That could be nice, but they should change a lot the mount system for that: but they should do it also to implement the ideas about Mounts and Possession Mount.

A related idea could be to give Avengers the ability of seal monsters in runes and be able to sell them. In the thread called Pet system changes i suggested that Avengers should be able to "register" the captured monsters and be able to re-summon them with another skill: the ability to seal the monsters in runes could be an alternative. Also, the monsters, when are summonded by the Avengers and not by other players, would be stronger, if they follow the idea of have a Captured Monster Mastery.
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Posted 10 August 2010 - 08:30 AM

Triggers:

I think in a few examples of what triggers could do:

Raids

Could active special skills or events, at some point in the raid, but with a very low chance, to make them unespected.

RH: when it reach 75% of its hp, it have a chance to summon 10 ghouls together, and when it reach 50% it have a chance to cast an aoe fireball that hit the group that shoot at distance.

Biskra: each time that summon the dopple, it have a chance of summon more than one, for example, when summon the 1st it have a chance of summon 2 or 3 at the same time, of course it that happens, then it dont summon anything later.

Dungeons

It would be 2 kind of triggers for dungeons.

The first ones are the ones that happen when the instance load: it would mostly the same as the pd boss, when the players enter to the dungeon, there is x chance that some of the mobs/ bosses inside are different: could be nightmares or new mobs that make that run hardder than usual.

The second ones are the ones that happen inside the dungeon: it would be more related to trigger traps for example, like the room described in a previous post.

Mobs

Well, i alredy talk about this kind of triggers: the ones that happen with a drop rate, like if it was an item, but what it "drop" is an event, something unexpected, like summon a powerful mob or a group of mobs, or active the attack to a town, etc.

Nightmare Skills:

This are skills focused in cause confusion and horror to the player iteself and not only to affect the character. Related to this are the ideas about places with 0 vision.

We alredy have a few stuffs like this in the game, like the blood over the screen, but lets go one step forward.

Blind: this skill turn the screen black, that way the character still can cast and move but the player cant see anything for x amount of time. It could be blood too.

Spin: it make the screen spin at fast speed to make the player lose orientation.

Crossed controls: make the right key move the player to the left and the left move to the right, up is down and down is up, for x amount of time.
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:36 AM

Love all ya ideas, I'll come back later and have a proper read through, with proper responses
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Posted 12 August 2010 - 05:44 AM

Damn nice ideas..i hope 5% of them get iimplemented^^
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Posted 13 August 2010 - 12:50 PM

Wow Nadesh that are very good ideas! Hoping They implement all that T_T
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 04:55 PM

- Some monsters are some kind of dummy automatas that move like if were doing something, with a purpose forgotten long time ago. The players cant hit them, and the monster cant hit the players, until the lights go off. This monsters turn in the players direction when they pass at their side, and folow them, and stop when the players dont move, and follow them when the players move (this idea come form an old thread but i cant find it :/).


I like this one especially. To make it even more immersive, maybe add surround sound to the game as well. Imagine hearing heavy footsteps behind you (or all around you) and not being able to see what it is. :3
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