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[mic9010]

em..recently I am dealing with agi up mvps, how effective is phreeoni card for the hit +100 bonus when those mvps are in agi up status? Can the hit +100 help me guarantee to hit? Thanks in advance.

[Energystar]

I try it before using Iro Stat SImulator

Using 4 Phreeoni Card still useless against Agi Up

Phreeoni would be awesome if give +100 crit

[hmc317]

Some popular agi-up mvps
Agi-up samurai spector you need 822 hit for 100% hit rate
Agi-up mistress you need 828 hit for 100% hit rate
Agi-up turtle general you need 766 hit for 100% hit rate
Agi-up tao gunka you need 870 hit for 100% hit rate

[Necrohealiac]

phree cards are good as they allow more flexibility with your stat allocations, but really aren't that useful if you're just trying to hit agi-upped mvps. you need to use skills that don't miss or go crit.

[Shippou22]

phreeoni pretty much saves you 100 dex points, but agi up mvps are completely insane, you need to crit them or use skills that never miss, otherwise you wont be hitting them anytime soon.

 

altough i believe the lowest hit rate is 5%, even if monsters have insane flee you always have a 5% chance of hitting

[mic9010]

Thanks for all the replies.

 

Em..actually I am dealing with agi up Valkyrie in ET and I'd better lvl up my gene and kill him then. 

[hmc317]

^100% hit on agi-up valk randgris is 844 hit

[mic9010]

^100% hit on agi-up valk randgris is 844 hit

wow, thanks bro, still cannot reach that hit... btw where do you find these data?

[hmc317]

Monster flee formula is (100 + monster level + monster agi)
Agi up doubles monster flee so (100 + monster level + monster agi)x2
Valk level is 141
valk agi is 131
(100 + 141 + 131)x2 = 744 flee
For 100% hit, you need 100 more hit than targets flee, so 744 + 100 = 844 hit for 100% hit rate.

[Salvare]

They really need to make it so dispel cancels the MvP's Agi up.

[mic9010]

Monster flee formula is (100 + monster level + monster agi)
Agi up doubles monster flee so (100 + monster level + monster agi)x2
Valk level is 141
valk agi is 131
(100 + 141 + 131)x2 = 744 flee
For 100% hit, you need 100 more hit than targets flee, so 744 + 100 = 844 hit for 100% hit rate.

em.. just another quick question for you, suppose I have a total of 794 hit (just a make up number), does it mean I can have 50% hit rate for agi up valkyrie?

[Necrohealiac]

i'm not sure it works that way, i'd say it's more % based. so if you're 794/844 that's like 94% hit?

[Viri]

No its 50%. If you're 50 hit short of the required hit for 100% hit you hit 50% of the time. If you're 100 short you hit 5?%. I think 5% is the minimum?

Edited by Viri, 16 March 2015 - 11:50 AM.

[Necrohealiac]

oh that's a pretty harsh mechanic then

[kingarthur6687]

They really need to make it so dispel cancels the MvP's Agi up.

 

Curious, would Quagmire or Decrease Agi be useful here?

[Kuyami]

Curious, would Quagmire or Decrease Agi be useful here?

 

Boss monsters can't be debuffed, so I guess no.

[GinaKay]

Buy it just for pvm and skip on getting dex lul. Ent no hope against Agi-up MVPs

[hmc317]

Curious, would Quagmire or Decrease Agi be useful here?

 

Now level 5 quagmire does help vs MVPs, as it lowers monsters agi by 50% up to a max of -50 agi and it will remove the increase agi movement speed.

Agi-up valk randgris with quagmire = (100 + 141 + (131 - 50)) x 2 = 644 flee

then you need to add 100 hit for 100% hit, so you need 744 hit for agi up valk randgris with quagmire effect

 

Decrease agi, I'm pretty sure does not work on MVPs, i could be wrong.

Quagmire definitely works though.

[Astralslayer]

According to this, If i ever get a bxb with 2 phreooni card, I'd get roughly 810 HIT. I'd still fail hitting Valkyrie Randgris with AS unless I go full crit....

NOPE

[kingarthur6687]

According to this, If i ever get a bxb with 2 phreooni card, I'd get roughly 810 HIT. I'd still fail hitting Valkyrie Randgris with AS unless I go full crit....

NOPE

 

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[fuyukikun]

we have 2 different version of agi up huh?
1st is the one used by thief bugs, kukres, orc ladies. this one doesnt double the user flee.
2nd one used by MVPs and monsters like tikbalang and trentini that doubles the flee of the user.

[Ashuckel]

And dispel does removes mvp agi up, at least it used to, just not power up