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#1 Leash

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 12:34 AM

Hi there,

 

so when im bored I like to reopen old tickets I sent to support where nothing has been done (which i can highly recommend!)

 

This specific ticket was from 7.12.2010

 

about how Giont PB sucks for caster classes because its melee type and lacks of wide range skills.

and how they should either "split" the beasts for kruxena into one melee and one caster type or give it different skills.

 

 

Back then I got the "blabla we appreciate your input and will forward it to "the devs"" response.

 

Now 5 years later, pretty much same response, but it was also suggested that I "join the forum"

and "create a topic there regarding this report so we can collect other players insights about this"

 

(that's my favourite part of the ticket, usually when we write stuff in forums they neglect it completly or tell us to write a ticket)

 

 

Fun fact: In my original ticket i already sent a link to a topic from the suggestions forums with it, but I see how this wasn't really that helpful,

because not many people commented on it and it was mainly Famous who was ranting that "defi too op already no need for pb".

 

So,

what is your opinion on Giont?


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 12:43 AM

clearly what you mean/say  or close : almost broken and useless for casters BUt why to use it as defi is already OP as hell ? :heh:

 

problem is ever about fairness : yes it's not right that other classes can get buff and bonus from turning into PB if some doesn't. that's correct.

 

But as a prot i can say the same all the year and in all conditions: playing pvp as prot is not fair either. we have no real crowds. we have no pew pew (moreover with a leech :p_smile: ) our heals can't balance actual damages whatever the opponent. and yeah turning into is a slight help as  few skills are range pew pew with no casting time. and that last point make it a pain.

 

actually i can't imagine a way to make it fair for defi's PB. like this it's not but if it was working "fine" , it wouldn't be fair for others :heh: :no1:


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 01:03 AM

How do you manage to slip in Prot QQ in every topic that you participate in?

 

Yes I agree, prots pretty much suck in pvp, if they kill something it is most likely in their - way better - PB form, but this topic isn't about prots.
I'd like to suggest you make a topic about that too, put the link to it in a ticket and let them forward it to the dev team.

 

yes it's not right that other classes can get buff and bonus from turning into PB if some doesn't. that's correct.

 

thanks for your input!

 

Edit.

I think I just came up with an easy to do fix that everyone can live with:
Let people be able to choose the PB they want to and not be forced to stick with the one they are assigned to due to race.


Edited by Leash, 23 July 2015 - 01:06 AM.

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 01:14 AM

How do you manage to slip in Prot QQ in every topic that you participate in?

 

Yes I agree, prots pretty much suck in pvp, if they kill something it is most likely in their - way better - PB form, but this topic isn't about prots.
I'd like to suggest you make a topic about that too, put the link to it in a ticket and let them forward it to the dev team.

 

 

thanks for your input!

 

Edit.

I think I just came up with an easy to do fix that everyone can live with:
Let people be able to choose the PB they want to and not be forced to stick with the one they are assigned to due to race.

 

it's nothing about QQ. it's just as you mentioned it TOO. ticket and topic are useless. revamp is still not done. and when it will be i really can't imagine it will be a good one like some i won't mention :heh: . So , repeating things again , and again ,and again everywhere add to chances that finally Helium , Vmod or whatever will make the things happen. (yes , VERY LOW chance , i know. but better than staying doing nothing and wait.) and it's not a slip as if you talk about any class you need to compare it to others. sound logic. and i talk for prot cause it's my most played class. from far :p_laugh: .

YW for input. for your edit . i disagree. you would only see rufus and carlos as pbs. dumb. should be a better way. moreover when you pay attention of supposed strength and weaknesses of PBs compared to others ones.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 01:36 AM

How do you manage to slip in Prot QQ in every topic that you participate in?

 

Yes I agree, prots pretty much suck in pvp, if they kill something it is most likely in their - way better - PB form, but this topic isn't about prots.
I'd like to suggest you make a topic about that too, put the link to it in a ticket and let them forward it to the dev team.

 

 

thanks for your input!

 

Edit.

I think I just came up with an easy to do fix that everyone can live with:
Let people be able to choose the PB they want to and not be forced to stick with the one they are assigned to due to race.

 

I totally agree with that... make it similar to s1 where u had 2 PB's (Giont and Rebria) - or maybe let us build up a PB consisting of some different types (head, arms, body...) where each part would give another feature to the fully built PB - makes everything more variable and every1 would be able to have a PB made for their needs - I still dont get why u took off the armor parts that dropped from nm mobs in s1


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 02:45 AM

I made a similar topic about "PB balance" and how Giont is very weak for a soul hunter because it increases melee stats and skills are low range.

Anyway, I would like S1 armors back, and I agree that temperions should be able to choose the PB they want ^^


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 02:51 AM

so be it , i will take Rufus to rule the battle fields :p_laugh:


oh , my. BUT ! no !! EVERYBODY WILL TAKE RUFUS !!! :heh: :heh: :heh:


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 02:56 AM

If everyone make Rufus, I'll make a Rebria and 2 hit them all.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:01 AM

nope . you forget a point !

 

zerk version of rufus will rape everybody anyway , including your rebria :p_devil: :no1: :heh:


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:09 AM

I made a similar topic about "PB balance"

 

Can you post the link to your topic here too? I remember reading it but I can't seem to find it at the moment.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 04:02 AM

Can you post the link to your topic here too? I remember reading it but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

http://forums.warppo...lly-unbalanced/ I'll also send a PM to Helium with both the topic links.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:46 AM

If you ask me PB should work on a different level.

 

Each PB Tree should give Stealth Modus.

 

For Elfs ofc. only at the last PB level

 

For Bartuk mid level. etc.

 

next is PB should support other PB`s (from the same Ally) much like a Totem at close range.

 

If you see 2 PB close to each other they should boosts each other stats or simple give additions Buffs. (like Resist or Defense)

 

PB should have a Skill special for the Battlefields. Concept ed for Flags. 

 

So you could use that skill to protect your Flag for the Last 3 minutes.

 

For example a Poison array.

 

A PB should help me to conquer Terrain with heavy Elementary Rain (for each 10 sec Cast Time = +1min duration of the Skill)

 

A PB should have a Trap skill , that trap i can put but it will never decay.

 

It should combine the best abilities from each Race. 

 

I like the Aspect that a PB is wild and short i don`t think it should last longer than 3 minutes yet.

 

Oh and some of the Skills should be Quest related.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:30 AM

Giont Sux. And I want to be able to color him red like in s1.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 07:55 AM

Bring back s1 pb system, that way armors and nightmare can have more meaning again

On-topic; I always never minded Giont, dont hate him but defs some flaws. As a domi the AoEs are nice but again need to risk getting banged up. But im going to refer to my above statement as my morale, I miss having boobie-i mean Rebria

Slightly off topic: Anyone else hate how sometimes if you cast two skills consecutively in pb, the second one wont get triggered? I get this a lot more with Giont so idk if its just him but sometimes i get it with the others too. Could be just me too .-.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 08:10 AM

Giont Earth Cleaver is half bugged, especially if u are near the target, he do an AA hit while casting and fail cast...pfffff


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Posted 24 July 2015 - 10:22 AM

Friggin' hate Giont


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Posted 24 July 2015 - 08:38 PM

Giont Earth Cleaver is half bugged, especially if u are near the target, he do an AA hit while casting and fail cast...pfffff

 

that's not a bug Kaz , that's related to your AA speed attack (gloves high level) : sometimes it take an AA attack interfere with your skill if target is locked and you are too close from it. that's the reason why into my eyes , speed attack skills and gears are useless for casters and SS toons.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:43 AM

http://forums.warppo...lly-unbalanced/ I'll also send a PM to Helium with both the topic links.

 

I am going to try to keep up on posting, I know there are so many requests for a response on one thing or another, but I will start here this morning.

 

On Possession Beast

  • There are current issues with balance and specific use such as on the Battlefield (with Possession Beast abilities, skills, resistances and the amount of time in the form). Earning longer time in the form for how much it has been leveled up seems fine as it is available on equal terms to all players. Two of the problems in the amount of time in the form are, (1) related to certain Possession Beasts being overpowered to others given the same amount of time in the form and (2) on the Battlefield (not a problem in itself just in ways to exploit the system).
  • It has been seriously considered to allow any race/job to use any of the Kuin and set the Possession Beast as the choice of the Player. What is stopping this? It does not solve the balance problem it just makes most users select the strongest Possession Beast by skills and for those already set with the race specific Possession Beast form, we would have to (1) reset everyone to no Possession Beast, (2) Say too bad you are stuck with the one you had to choose, or (3) I can figure out some complicated way to allow users with a Possession Beast already set to keep their levels and PB skill points but convert to another.

All in all, I cannot spend much time on Possession Beast yet. But we can talk about it more as we go forward.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:48 AM

If you ask me PB should work on a different level.

 

Each PB Tree should give Stealth Modus.

 

For Elfs ofc. only at the last PB level

 

For Bartuk mid level. etc.

 

next is PB should support other PB`s (from the same Ally) much like a Totem at close range.

 

If you see 2 PB close to each other they should boosts each other stats or simple give additions Buffs. (like Resist or Defense)

 

PB should have a Skill special for the Battlefields. Concept ed for Flags. 

 

So you could use that skill to protect your Flag for the Last 3 minutes.

 

For example a Poison array.

 

A PB should help me to conquer Terrain with heavy Elementary Rain (for each 10 sec Cast Time = +1min duration of the Skill)

 

A PB should have a Trap skill , that trap i can put but it will never decay.

 

It should combine the best abilities from each Race. 

 

I like the Aspect that a PB is wild and short i don`t think it should last longer than 3 minutes yet.

 

Oh and some of the Skills should be Quest related.

 

Honestly, this description of Possession Beast system sounds more like a specialized Battlefield where users are in Possession Beast form all the time and extra abilities and skills are added (perhaps like Strongest, by equipped gear for that battlefield only for Possession Beast only). Of course, this is not in keeping with your final thoughts of having Possession Beast be short duration, but if they were balanced or user selected and everyone was in PB form then all things equal.


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 06:58 AM

Ya i think PB should make us all Equal for a very short period of Time.

 

And for the two Main Reason why People use PB  it is working like this already

 

To get out of Stun and to do more DMG (+ AoE option)

 

So it`s only logical and consequent to go all the Way and cancel of other Weaknesses as well...like Stealth and Heal Option for Classes

 

that don`t have that Option. But this should work only like a LAST RESORT. Therefore i said make PB last not that long 3 min max.

 

 


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Posted 29 July 2015 - 07:13 AM

More simple way with this changes : http://forums.warppo...lly-unbalanced/ , u just need to make the bonus apply to all stats (so both caster/melee get advantages from PB), and fix some number here and there for the skills (Ex. make giont buff increase both magic/physical dmg not only physical), and would be balanced.

 

But I like more the idea that player can choose the PB he prefer. I wouldn't care much of the reset, but as you said everyone would choose the one with best skills and not the one that increase his main stats. Add a 50% hidden resistance to all PBs so their skills wouldn't be so overpowered, and players would choose the PB mainly for the stats and not for the skills. And also increase the stat specific bonus. With this system, for example, a sin would probably choose Giont for the stat bonus. Even with the 50% hidden resistances, the PB skills would still hit very good, and not become useless skills (higher lvl bosses/players have all 80%+ resistance).


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Posted 01 August 2015 - 04:57 AM

slighty off-topic - Helium did u read my pm now finally - regarding the Forsaken Fluorite ?

 

back to topic : now I forgot what I wanted to write *lol*


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 09:57 AM

its not a problem to level possession beast... pd golems do very good job of it. resetting all pb for the sake of being able to choose the one u want is ok in my opinion...just reset the 1st quest too and add all of them as an option.

 

problem solved ^^


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