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[Helium]

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Group Base Stats (Table)

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Group	Name	Sum of Max of Melee_Defense	Sum of Max of Range_Defense	Sum of Max of Property_Resist_Curse	Sum of Max of Attribute_STR	Sum of Max of Attribute_DEX	Sum of Max of Attribute_CON	Sum of Max of Attribute_INT	Sum of Max of Attribute_MND	Sum of Max of Attribute_HP	Sum of Max of Attribute_MP	Sum of Max of Attribute_Move_Speed	Sum of Max of Attribute_Evasion_Rate	Sum of Max of Attribute_Critical_Rate	Sum of Max of Attribute_Skill_Critical_Rate	Sum of Max of Attribute_Critical_Damage	Sum of Max of Attribute_Skill_Critical_Damage
Black Sun	Boots of the Black Sun	41	41	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	517	144	144	25	25
Black Sun	Gloves of the Black Sun	47	47	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	583	149	149	25	25
Black Sun	Helm of the Black Sun	31	31	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	418	150	150	20	20
Black Sun	Leggings of the Black Sun	53	53	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	648	154	154	29	29
Black Sun	Shoulders of the Black Sun	21	21	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	320	135	135	18	18
Black Sun	Vest of the Black Sun	63	63	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	746	159	159	29	29
Black Sun Total		256	256	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	3232	891	891	146	146
Debauched Soul	Boots of the Debauched Soul	41	41	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	517	144	144	25	25
Debauched Soul	Cowl of the Debauched Soul	31	31	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	418	150	150	20	20
Debauched Soul	Gloves of the Debauched Soul	47	47	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	583	149	149	25	25
Debauched Soul	Overcoat of the Debauched Soul	63	63	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	746	159	159	29	29
Debauched Soul	Pants of the Debauched Soul	53	53	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	648	154	154	29	29
Debauched Soul	Shoulders of the Debauched Soul	21	21	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	320	135	135	18	18
Debauched Soul Total		256	256	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	3232	891	891	146	146
Deprived Soul	Boots of the Deprived Soul	41	41	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	517	144	144	25	25
Deprived Soul	Coif of the Deprived Soul	31	31	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	418	150	150	20	20
Deprived Soul	Gloves of the Deprived Soul	47	47	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	583	149	149	25	25
Deprived Soul	Hauberk of the Deprived Soul	63	63	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	746	159	159	29	29
Deprived Soul	Leggings of the Deprived Soul	53	53	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	648	154	154	29	29
Deprived Soul	Pauldrons of the Deprived Soul	21	21	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	320	135	135	18	18
Deprived Soul Total		256	256	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	3232	891	891	146	146
Dread Knight	Breastplate of the Dread Knight	171	171	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	180	159	159	29	29
Dread Knight	Gauntlets of the Dread Knight	132	132	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	138	149	149	25	25
Dread Knight	Greaves of the Dread Knight	116	116	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	122	144	144	25	25
Dread Knight	Helm of the Dread Knight	93	93	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	97	150	150	20	20
Dread Knight	Legplates of the Dread Knight	147	147	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	155	154	154	29	29
Dread Knight	Pauldrons of the Dread Knight	69	69	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	72	135	135	18	18
Dread Knight Total		728	728	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	764	891	891	146	146
Forgotten	Boots of the Forgotten	53	53	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	1306	144	144	25	25
Forgotten	Coat of the Forgotten	81	81	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	1881	159	159	29	29
Forgotten	Diadem of the Forgotten	41	41	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	1059	150	150	20	20
Forgotten	Gloves of the Forgotten	61	61	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	1470	149	149	25	25
Forgotten	Shoulder Protector of the Forgotten	30	30	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	813	135	135	18	18
Forgotten	Trousers of the Forgotten	69	69	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	1635	154	154	29	29
Forgotten Total		335	335	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	8164	891	891	146	146
Haunted Eye	Chestplate of the Haunted Eye	117	117	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	369	159	159	29	29
Haunted Eye	Gauntlets of the Haunted Eye	89	89	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	286	149	149	25	25
Haunted Eye	Greaves of the Haunted Eye	78	78	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	254	144	144	25	25
Haunted Eye	Helm of the Haunted Eye	62	62	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	204	150	150	20	20
Haunted Eye	Legplates of the Haunted Eye	101	101	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	320	154	154	29	29
Haunted Eye	Pauldrons of the Haunted Eye	45	45	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	155	135	135	18	18
Haunted Eye Total		492	492	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	1588	891	891	146	146
Repressed Gluttony	Boots of Repressed Gluttony	41	41	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	517	144	144	25	25
Repressed Gluttony	Coat of Repressed Gluttony	63	63	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	746	159	159	29	29
Repressed Gluttony	Diadem of Repressed Gluttony	31	31	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	418	150	150	20	20
Repressed Gluttony	Gloves of Repressed Gluttony	47	47	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	583	149	149	25	25
Repressed Gluttony	Shoulder Protector of Repressed Gluttony	21	21	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	320	135	135	18	18
Repressed Gluttony	Trousers of Repressed Gluttony	53	53	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	648	154	154	29	29
Repressed Gluttony Total		256	256	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	3232	891	891	146	146
Soulless Machine	Boots of the Soulless Machine	53	53	65	8	8	8	8	8	50	50	1100	1306	144	144	25	25
Soulless Machine	Gloves of the Soulless Machine	61	61	75	9	9	9	9	9	50	50	0	1470	149	149	25	25
Soulless Machine	Helm of the Soulless Machine	41	41	60	7	7	7	7	7	50	50	0	1059	150	150	20	20
Soulless Machine	Leggings of the Soulless Machine	69	69	80	11	11	11	11	11	100	100	0	1635	154	154	29	29
Soulless Machine	Shoulders of the Soulless Machine	30	30	50	6	6	6	6	6	25	25	0	813	135	135	18	18
Soulless Machine	Vest of the Soulless Machine	81	81	90	14	14	14	14	14	200	200	0	1881	159	159	29	29
Soulless Machine Total		335	335	420	55	55	55	55	55	475	475	1100	8164	891	891	146	146

 

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Set_Name	CON	CAD	CR	DEX	HP	INT	Melee_Max	Melee_Min	MND	Curse_Resist	SCAD	SCR	STR
Clergyman's Heresy									225	700	70	142
Contemption		70	142			225				700
Deadman's Legacy	225	70	142							700
Deathcaller's Chant						225				700	70	142
Glory's Rise	225									700	70	142
Oppressor											60	280
Radiant Sun	150				2000		300	200		700
Sacred Fall		70	142	225						700
Sanctified Glory		70	142						225	700
Shadow's Edge		70	142							700			225
Sniper's Focus				225						700	70	142
Tormentor		60	280
Zealot's Glory										700	70	142	225

[Kazara]

I think players wanna see some skill preview and how you plan to balance skills!

[BloodyHalo]

Charts and Tables in Spoilers below.

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Group Base Stats (Table)

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Group Name Sum of Max of Melee_Defense Sum of Max of Range_Defense Sum of Max of Property_Resist_Curse Sum of Max of Attribute_STR Sum of Max of Attribute_DEX Sum of Max of Attribute_CON Sum of Max of Attribute_INT Sum of Max of Attribute_MND Sum of Max of Attribute_HP Sum of Max of Attribute_MP Sum of Max of Attribute_Move_Speed Sum of Max of Attribute_Evasion_Rate Sum of Max of Attribute_Critical_Rate Sum of Max of Attribute_Skill_Critical_Rate Sum of Max of Attribute_Critical_Damage Sum of Max of Attribute_Skill_Critical_Damage Black Sun Boots of the Black Sun 41 41 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 517 144 144 25 25 Black Sun Gloves of the Black Sun 47 47 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 583 149 149 25 25 Black Sun Helm of the Black Sun 31 31 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 418 150 150 20 20 Black Sun Leggings of the Black Sun 53 53 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 648 154 154 29 29 Black Sun Shoulders of the Black Sun 21 21 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 320 135 135 18 18 Black Sun Vest of the Black Sun 63 63 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 746 159 159 29 29 Black Sun Total   256 256 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 3232 891 891 146 146 Debauched Soul Boots of the Debauched Soul 41 41 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 517 144 144 25 25 Debauched Soul Cowl of the Debauched Soul 31 31 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 418 150 150 20 20 Debauched Soul Gloves of the Debauched Soul 47 47 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 583 149 149 25 25 Debauched Soul Overcoat of the Debauched Soul 63 63 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 746 159 159 29 29 Debauched Soul Pants of the Debauched Soul 53 53 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 648 154 154 29 29 Debauched Soul Shoulders of the Debauched Soul 21 21 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 320 135 135 18 18 Debauched Soul Total   256 256 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 3232 891 891 146 146 Deprived Soul Boots of the Deprived Soul 41 41 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 517 144 144 25 25 Deprived Soul Coif of the Deprived Soul 31 31 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 418 150 150 20 20 Deprived Soul Gloves of the Deprived Soul 47 47 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 583 149 149 25 25 Deprived Soul Hauberk of the Deprived Soul 63 63 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 746 159 159 29 29 Deprived Soul Leggings of the Deprived Soul 53 53 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 648 154 154 29 29 Deprived Soul Pauldrons of the Deprived Soul 21 21 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 320 135 135 18 18 Deprived Soul Total   256 256 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 3232 891 891 146 146 Dread Knight Breastplate of the Dread Knight 171 171 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 180 159 159 29 29 Dread Knight Gauntlets of the Dread Knight 132 132 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 138 149 149 25 25 Dread Knight Greaves of the Dread Knight 116 116 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 122 144 144 25 25 Dread Knight Helm of the Dread Knight 93 93 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 97 150 150 20 20 Dread Knight Legplates of the Dread Knight 147 147 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 155 154 154 29 29 Dread Knight Pauldrons of the Dread Knight 69 69 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 72 135 135 18 18 Dread Knight Total   728 728 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 764 891 891 146 146 Forgotten Boots of the Forgotten 53 53 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 1306 144 144 25 25 Forgotten Coat of the Forgotten 81 81 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 1881 159 159 29 29 Forgotten Diadem of the Forgotten 41 41 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 1059 150 150 20 20 Forgotten Gloves of the Forgotten 61 61 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 1470 149 149 25 25 Forgotten Shoulder Protector of the Forgotten 30 30 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 813 135 135 18 18 Forgotten Trousers of the Forgotten 69 69 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 1635 154 154 29 29 Forgotten Total   335 335 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 8164 891 891 146 146 Haunted Eye Chestplate of the Haunted Eye 117 117 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 369 159 159 29 29 Haunted Eye Gauntlets of the Haunted Eye 89 89 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 286 149 149 25 25 Haunted Eye Greaves of the Haunted Eye 78 78 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 254 144 144 25 25 Haunted Eye Helm of the Haunted Eye 62 62 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 204 150 150 20 20 Haunted Eye Legplates of the Haunted Eye 101 101 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 320 154 154 29 29 Haunted Eye Pauldrons of the Haunted Eye 45 45 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 155 135 135 18 18 Haunted Eye Total   492 492 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 1588 891 891 146 146 Repressed Gluttony Boots of Repressed Gluttony 41 41 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 517 144 144 25 25 Repressed Gluttony Coat of Repressed Gluttony 63 63 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 746 159 159 29 29 Repressed Gluttony Diadem of Repressed Gluttony 31 31 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 418 150 150 20 20 Repressed Gluttony Gloves of Repressed Gluttony 47 47 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 583 149 149 25 25 Repressed Gluttony Shoulder Protector of Repressed Gluttony 21 21 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 320 135 135 18 18 Repressed Gluttony Trousers of Repressed Gluttony 53 53 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 648 154 154 29 29 Repressed Gluttony Total   256 256 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 3232 891 891 146 146 Soulless Machine Boots of the Soulless Machine 53 53 65 8 8 8 8 8 50 50 1100 1306 144 144 25 25 Soulless Machine Gloves of the Soulless Machine 61 61 75 9 9 9 9 9 50 50 0 1470 149 149 25 25 Soulless Machine Helm of the Soulless Machine 41 41 60 7 7 7 7 7 50 50 0 1059 150 150 20 20 Soulless Machine Leggings of the Soulless Machine 69 69 80 11 11 11 11 11 100 100 0 1635 154 154 29 29 Soulless Machine Shoulders of the Soulless Machine 30 30 50 6 6 6 6 6 25 25 0 813 135 135 18 18 Soulless Machine Vest of the Soulless Machine 81 81 90 14 14 14 14 14 200 200 0 1881 159 159 29 29 Soulless Machine Total   335 335 420 55 55 55 55 55 475 475 1100 8164 891 891 146 146

 

 

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Set_Name CON CAD CR DEX HP INT Melee_Max Melee_Min MND Curse_Resist SCAD SCR STR Clergyman's Heresy                 225 700 70 142   Contemption   70 142     225       700       Deadman's Legacy 225 70 142             700       Deathcaller's Chant           225       700 70 142   Glory's Rise 225                 700 70 142   Oppressor                     60 280   Radiant Sun 150       2000   300 200   700       Sacred Fall   70 142 225           700       Sanctified Glory   70 142           225 700       Shadow's Edge   70 142             700     225 Sniper's Focus       225           700 70 142   Tormentor   60 280                     Zealot's Glory                   700 70 142 225

 

 

Helium if I'm reading the chart correctly why the hell does Turan melee always get the crappiest items and skills? Not only does it not have any eva but also the same amount of hp as other classes?  Though I can't really see Con.

 

 Also when you are graphing and you have something like the radiant sun set sticking out so much...you usually dial down the attribute so it doesn't make things look so unbalanced, especially next to something like the oppressor set buffs...Even if the other attributes do balance it out, most people will just see the huge difference and start crying before they even read further...

 

Can you give melee a clear difference in hp/def than casters pls?

Edited by BloodyHalo, 24 July 2015 - 02:39 PM.

[Kazara]

Turan power is in the number, not in the single turan's strenght xD

[BioElesis]

Armor Screenshots!

[BloodyHalo]

Turan power is in the number, not in the single turan's strenght xD

 

Bartuks are master race then >_>.  OP in strength AND number

[ARKILIUS]

Bartuks are master race then >_>.  OP in strength AND number

 

no , no mate : pay attention there are MANY turans.

 

as npc.

 

cannon fodder.

 

cause , yeah .  Why to play a broken race ? always the neglected and nerfed one ? the model of "solidarity among turans that make their strength" is totally broken like i said somewhere else Kaz.

 

plus if you consider things under that aspect just consider a zerk working with a mystic. that shouldn't be allowed ?    each player can work as a team in pve like in pvp if they are smart. story line of the game is not a sufficient excuse to keep ever turans underpowered. Or even less people will play it. again , and as i ever say , better delete the race then , and repay players that have that toons for years , giving thme back all their money or turn all they possessed in alternatives versions of others toons in the three others races.

like give me a zerk with same gears and enchants that i manage to collect years after years. LOL ! c'mon. Even if i don't like bartuk style and moves. If i choose a race and class years ago , it's because it was what I WANTED to play. Now the game leave us no chance and no option ? lmao.

[ARKILIUS]

Helium if I'm reading the chart correctly why the hell does Turan melee always get the crappiest items and skills? Not only does it not have any eva but also the same amount of hp as other classes?  Though I can't really see Con.

 

 Also when you are graphing and you have something like the radiant sun set sticking out so much...you usually dial down the attribute so it doesn't make things look so unbalanced, especially next to something like the oppressor set buffs...Even if the other attributes do balance it out, most people will just see the huge difference and start crying before they even read further...

 

Can you give melee a clear difference in hp/def than casters pls?

 

seems MORE than LEGIT .
 

[Sandyman]

Armor Screenshots!

 

"Radiant Sun"

 

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[BloodyHalo]

"Radiant Sun"

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I would like those stats on other melee but apparently Helium turan melee needs int and mind more than hp and dmg?

Edited by BloodyHalo, 25 July 2015 - 12:17 PM.

[sonemere]

wheres screens ur table is nice...but ya know put it all up pls not just numbers

[ARKILIUS]

I would like those stats on other melee but apparently Helium turan melee needs int and mind more than hp and dmg?

 

well , each type of set exist for each class. So yeah , you can have a dark knight radiant sun. The bad point is ALL classes can. even if of course , the added PHYSIC damages is a bit pointless for casters. But just think about zerks with that gear ? full of MDC Scales and/or TRH scales ?

 

BIG BIG lol. knowing they will hit hard while we will still have LESS HP ( no 10% passive skill HP bonus) and hit like old grandmas while they hit 10K with bloodrage

[BloodyHalo]

well , each type of set exist for each class. So yeah , you can have a dark knight radiant sun. The bad point is ALL classes can. even if of course , the added PHYSIC damages is a bit pointless for casters. But just think about zerks with that gear ? full of MDC Scales and/or TRH scales ?

BIG BIG lol. knowing they will hit hard while we will still have LESS HP ( no 10% passive skill HP bonus) and hit like old grandmas while they hit 10K with bloodrage

Hey mages have a ton of hp and Def they should get physical damage too!

[Plato]

Hey mages have a ton of hp and Def they should get physical damage too!

 

radiant was melee in s1.
 

[BloodyHalo]

radiant was melee in s1.
 

 

But they weren't killing peoples with their op phys dmg.

[BloodyHalo]

radiant was melee in s1.
 

 

But they weren't killing peoples with their op phys dmg.

[sonemere]

blunt strike...sleep lock

 

that set is only viable for SS zerk...kinda...if u doin AA with dual swords or hybrid AA wont work. i would choose biskra set every dam day for SS zerk... practical.

 

also remember everyone has cap defense.  in reality that set only gives 40-60 max more damage 0 cad or scad. (300*.8)-300...sorry ppls thats a drop in the water.

 

immortality set with regals AA zerk... nightmare str.

Edited by sonemere, 26 July 2015 - 07:54 PM.

[Plato]

But they weren't killing peoples with their op phys dmg.

 

so do they have op phys dmg now?

[ARKILIUS]

so do they have op phys dmg now?

 

he replied that to you cause it seems you were comparing nowadays zerks with "back then" rads , i suppose 

blunt strike...sleep lock

 

that set is only viable for SS zerk...kinda...if u doin AA with dual swords or hybrid AA wont work. i would choose biskra set every dam day for SS zerk... practical.

 

also remember everyone has cap defense.  in reality that set only gives 40-60 max more damage 0 cad or scad. (300*.8)-300...sorry ppls thats a drop in the water.

 

immortality set with regals AA zerk... nightmare str.

you would be wrong on ONE aspect : HP . the amount given by set 90 is very good , moreover for zerk ,and only for that class. due to combo between good CON rolls on each parts and 2k HP added , combined with 10% of the total HP bonus. just build a HP zerk with adamant , reflect , blood rage and your two heals skills. nothing more needed. Knowing you keep hitting HARD due to OP blood rage passing ant def...

when i reach 45k hp with the new set i hit like an old grandma , too bad. Zerk have even more and keep doing good blows

[Plato]

also remember everyone has cap defense. in reality that set only gives 40-60 max more damage 0 cad or scad. (300*.8)-300...sorry ppls thats a drop in the water.

(300*.8)-300...? extra 250-300 dmg isnt good?

could you mind remind me that two formula of dmg and cad reduction?


 

he replied that to you cause it seems you were comparing nowadays zerks with "back then" rads , i suppose 

 

isnt he talking about mage with massive hp and def should get dmg? ,  i am not comparing today's zerks and old school's rad. Most of those zerks are with the name oft zerks but they aren't the true zerks nowadays. It was like those druidele...

Edited by Plato, 27 July 2015 - 05:40 PM.

[sonemere]

u only get 40-60 damage extra after 80% damage reduction...im just sayin...

 

but anyways im playin siznerk goin for immortality/regals nightmare str 75 duals atm =D...er anyone got immortality parts on nova? clean...

[Sandyman]

thats true DMG wise the 90 Sets are not the best.

 

 

[BloodyHalo]

@ Plato

No no they SHOULDNT get hp def and dmg

Edited by BloodyHalo, 28 July 2015 - 06:20 PM.

[ARKILIUS]

@ Plato

No no they SHOULDNT get hp def and dmg

 

correct. Or then do the same for us.   and put range of our attacks to 25 meters too

[DRAGONMANdavid1]

so this is end game armor in requiem?

 

Edited by DRAGONMANdavid1, 11 January 2016 - 10:20 AM.