I think you're confusing what is really being objected to here. We're objecting to 3 major things.
1: People not helping each other. Like Buffies* said, he normally goes with the 'democracy' of the group, so do we. If we get someone who says 'hey, can we do the quests?' we do them in addition to whatever we'd planned on before. Want to do a full clear? Sure. What we expect in return though, is that persons assistance in the other elements as well.
2: We're against people expecting these dungeons to be done FOR them. Not helping is lazy, and lazy is a sign of lack of respect. If we were to have Max's Visitor in our DG group, we wouldn't just kick him. That would only come from a lack of effort to help. The point of it is really respect + effort to provide help to the team, in whatever task they're doing.
3: and lastly, respect for what you have, like buffs or a team trying to put their best effort out there.
There has only been 1 worst game ever for me, cause it was truly THE worst. I won't give names, but the basic scenario was as followed.
- 2 raiders ran off to first room.
- 1 champion had to clear the way for the cleric.
- the cleric was new and needed protection and to stay back until after mobs got pulled.
- and me, playing my doofus mage back before the shield update.
- Me = pulling aggro off Champion and dying, Cleric trying desperately to keep up, Champion [who lacked aoes] trying desperately to help, me dying, mobs attacking cleric, it dying, champ dies. Raiders sit at boss room 'wtf'ing' all over the place but not even offering to come help clear.
- Raiders start insulting cleric, we finally make it through the first two boss rooms [after about 30 minutes of careful lures and small pulls]
- Second boss is down, raiders run to last boss, champ, cleric and i have issues in hallways, raiders start insulting cleric. Cleric becomes frustrated, leaves. [no one can enter the DG at this point], champion offers to help clear the rest before leaving. 1 raider leaves. we get to the last bit of the hall, raider pulled boss, stealthed, boss killed the champion and raider left.
So over an hour of just nothing but disrespect, that was the worst DG I'd ever seen. And to be honest, it's not that uncommon. Especially for clerics. but then again, I get quite irritated when I see clerics sitting at the SC entry just buffing and AFKing to leech off the shaman and leaving.
All over, this games DG system is full of disrespectful Raiders, Lack of effort from all kinds of players, and in general a lot of bad preconceptions of what is 'acceptable' etiquette. This thread is here to bring attention to it, show how we plan to solve it for ourselves, and encourage others to make a stand in their own way. If you don't agree, well, ok? That's perfectly fine, I'd think you were part of the problem myself if you think that those types of actions are acceptable, but that's just my outlook.
*My apologies Callum/ClericEN for the mix up in avatars.
Edited by Feuer, 01 September 2015 - 12:39 PM.
