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[jaythreee]

I'm trying to figure out the best katar against brad golems. I have a fire katar[3] but not sure what to put in it. I'll have about 100 str. I won't have enough for mobster or paper cards so my debate is between 3x kaho (20% against earth property) or 3x goblin steamrider(+10% crit dmg. +7 crit on formless monsters). From what I understand, the +10% crit damage is overall. So would this be better than the elemental cards? Also would katars even be the best way to kill them? I think it would be decent since they have high def.

[altandf4]

I would think all cards that mod% damage will only affect B part of your ATK.
With that card possibly mod% will activate on crit. In Renewal all mod% card should behave the same.
I had +4 tri-skel worker jur and a +7 regular jamadhar. Guess what.. My +7 actually do more damage. I already had 70 STR, meaning those mod% cards only affact your weapon not your STR.
Take it like this.. a katar with 100 damage with hydra, it becomes 120 which is the same as katar with andre. So it is more effective if you add more ATK before mod% cards.
However if your katar ATK is 165 with hydra = 198 which is better than one andre.

weapon damage calculation:
+1 fire katar +2 zipper + 20%mod = (5+105+60)*1.2=204
+1 fire katar +2 andre + 20%mod = (5+105+40)*1.2=180
+1 fire katar +1 zipper + 40%mod = (5+105+30)*1.4=196
+1 fire katar +60%mod = (5+105)*1.6 = 176

+5 fire katar +2 zipper + 20%mod = (25+105+60)*1.2=228
+5 fire katar +2 andre + 20%mod = (25+105+40)*1.2=204
+5 fire katar +1 zipper + 40%mod = (25+105+30)*1.4=224
+5 fire katar +60%mod = (25+105)*1.6 = 208

+7 fire katar +2 zipper + 20%mod = (25+14+105+60)*1.2=244
+7 fire katar +2 andre + 20%mod = (25+14+105+40)*1.2=220.8
+7 fire katar +1 zipper + 40%mod = (25+14+105+30)*1.4=243.6
+7 fire katar +60%mod = (25+14+105)*1.6 = 230.4

+10 fire katar +2 zipper + 20%mod = (25+35+105+60)*1.2=270
+10 fire katar +2 andre + 20%mod = (25+35+105+40)*1.2=246
+10 fire katar +1 zipper + 40%mod = (25+35+105+30)*1.4=273
+10 fire katar +60%mod = (25+35+105)*1.6 = 264

+20 fire katar +2 zipper + 20%mod = (25+105+105+60)*1.2=354
+20 fire katar +2 andre+ 20%mod = (25+105+105+40)*1.2=330
+20 fire katar +1 zipper + 40%mod = (25+105+105+30)*1.4=371
+20 fire katar +60%mod = (25+105+105)*1.6 = 376

Edited by altandf4, 04 December 2010 - 04:15 AM.

[jaythreee]

Hmmm interesting. So what you're saying is that strength is not actually adding +.5% weapon atk per one? Could it be that your jur did less damage because you had 3 of the same cards in it or did they take out the nerf when you have more than 2 of the same card in a weapon? Also what about critical card? If it's going to increase your crit damage by 10%, then it seems like as long as you're critting for 300+ damage then this would give the best damage output. Not too sure if that's how it works though.

Edited by jaythreee, 02 December 2010 - 07:55 AM.

[SilX]

So you're saying the best option for damage output would be (as an example) 2 Andre + a Kaho?

[pyrotech]

Due to their high def and the fact that crits no longer bypass def you would probably be better off with an ice pick. However if you want to use a carded katar, lava golem card adds +30% damage to golems.

[Akami]

So really, when renewal was released they should've just re-worded the [+% vs.] cards to say 'increases "atk" vs. whatever by 20%' instead of "damage by 20%".

[altandf4]

Hmmm interesting. So what you're saying is that strength is not actually adding +.5% weapon atk per one? Could it be that your jur did less damage because you had 3 of the same cards in it or did they take out the nerf when you have more than 2 of the same card in a weapon? Also what about critical card? If it's going to increase your crit damage by 10%, then it seems like as long as you're critting for 300+ damage then this would give the best damage output. Not too sure if that's how it works though.

STR does increase weapon total atk by 0.5%, but not your ATK that come from STR itself
say your STR is 100, give 50% extra to Weapon. If you have 200 ATK weapon that would make 100+(200*1.5)=400 damage. If you have card that increase 10% crit, your ATK will be 100+(200*1.6)=420 on a crit attack only.

[altandf4]

So really, when renewal was released they should've just re-worded the [+% vs.] cards to say 'increases "atk" vs. whatever by 20%' instead of "damage by 20%".

No, the %cards only affect your weapon damage. a 20% card on a 230atk : 230*1.2 =276ATK, if you have 100 str, it becomes 100+(230*1.7).

[Akami]

That's pretty much what I said.

[antikv]

in short renewal killed almost all of our hard earned +9 status weapons= =

[altandf4]

all lvl 1 weapon is killed XD