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[Kusanagisama]

So, I was leveling my WL in NCT, and each clock (Big Ben) was giving me about 67K of base exp. I popped the HE Battle Manual to ti the BBs, and when I returned, I just received about 95K of base exp for each clock, which is less than 50% more, when the exp should be doubled for 15 minutes.

 

Sorry if this was not the place for a Bug Report, but can a CM have a look at it?

 

Thanks.

[beaupoem]

VIP? level? exp boosting gears?
battle manuals don't multiply exp directly like what you assumed

[Kusanagisama]

I see. Level 150, VIP, using Costume: Goggles.

Edited by Kusanagisama, 03 April 2016 - 11:52 PM.

[Valadez]

It works by adding +100% to your exp so because of the experience event plus VIP if you have that it ends up not actually being double experience.

Without manual

14,894 (base experience) * 1.4 (level difference bonus) * (1+0.5[vip bonus]+0.5[server exp event]+0.5[vip exp event])*1.3(Costume: Googles) = 67,767
14,894*1.4*(1+0.5+0.5+0.5)*1.3 = 67,767

With manual

14,894 (base experience) * 1.4 (level difference bonus) * (1+0.5[vip bonus]+0.5[server exp event]+0.5[vip exp event]+1[HE Battle Manual])*1.3(Costume: Googles) = 94,874
14,894*1.4*(1+0.5+0.5+0.5+1)*1.3 = 94,874

You're currently receiving a 40% overall exp bonus from using the HE Battle Manual currently.

Edited by Valadez, 04 April 2016 - 03:33 AM.

[Kusanagisama]

Thanks. What confused me was that according with iRO Wiki, manuals stack multiplicatively with VIP, giving 75%/150%/300% bonus (Normal/HE/x3), so I just panicked and came here to see if I should get rid of my stock or not, without taking my time to calculate. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks. That made things clear.

[Valadez]

Where are you seeing that? I'm looking at the Experience page on the wiki and it's saying it stacks additively.

 

It does however say that the HE Battle Manual should be giving +150% for VIP but that doesn't match with your numbers. May have to check that.

Edited by Valadez, 04 April 2016 - 01:21 PM.

[Kusanagisama]

I meant what you just said, though I understand that what I said can be misinterpreted to take into account VIP events.

 

I'm at work now, and iRO Wiki won't open here, but just take it as my way of interpreting what I read.

 

I just assumed that iRO Wiki's article was wrong after seeing your calculations.

[lorenz1375]

It's like it's a waste to pop bm3 during VIP event an just use it when there's no more event

[Ashuckel]

More exp gained = less time to reach desired lvl = less BMx3 used = saves money

[beaupoem]

did you already reach 151 when you got 95k per kill on HE BM? my calculations show 99k exp at lvl 150

 

it's calculated like this:

[base (1) + VIP (0.5) + VIP bonus (0.5) + server bonus (0.5)] x C:goggles (1.3) + battle manual (whatever it says on wiki is correct)

 

for HE manuals, it would give +1 (base) for non-VIP and +1.5 for VIP.

 

battle manuals do not affect the VIP bonus or the server bonus, and not really even the regular VIP bonus. they are just adjusted on iRO for VIP so that they look like 1.5x whatever exp bonus they give for non-VIPs

 

i'm gonna update that wiki when i have time cause the formula got screwed up when they put in the new exp system

[Kusanagisama]

did you already reach 151 when you got 95k per kill on HE BM? my calculations show 99k exp at lvl 150

 

it's calculated like this:

[base (1) + VIP (0.5) + VIP bonus (0.5) + server bonus (0.5)] x C:goggles (1.3) + battle manual (whatever it says on wiki is correct)

 

for HE manuals, it would give +1 (base) for non-VIP and +1.5 for VIP.

 

battle manuals do not affect the VIP bonus or the server bonus, and not really even the regular VIP bonus. they are just adjusted on iRO for VIP so that they look like 1.5x whatever exp bonus they give for non-VIPs

 

i'm gonna update that wiki when i have time cause the formula got screwed up when they put in the new exp system

 

No, I was at 150 at the time, and Valadez's numbers gave precisely the exp that I was receiving in my screenshots. Probably the way he calculates it is the way it actually works.

 

More exp gained = less time to reach desired lvl = less BMx3 used = saves money

 

Exactly! And this logic is valid for all types of manuals (switched to x3, btw... way better, financially speaking).

[LiteAdi]

did you already reach 151 when you got 95k per kill on HE BM? my calculations show 99k exp at lvl 150

 

it's calculated like this:

[base (1) + VIP (0.5) + VIP bonus (0.5) + server bonus (0.5)] x C:goggles (1.3) + battle manual (whatever it says on wiki is correct)

 

for HE manuals, it would give +1 (base) for non-VIP and +1.5 for VIP.

 

battle manuals do not affect the VIP bonus or the server bonus, and not really even the regular VIP bonus. they are just adjusted on iRO for VIP so that they look like 1.5x whatever exp bonus they give for non-VIPs

 

i'm gonna update that wiki when i have time cause the formula got screwed up when they put in the new exp system

even BM dont affect vip and server bonus it still add to final count for exp we get?

[Kusanagisama]

for HE manuals, it would give +1 (base) for non-VIP and +1.5 for VIP.

 

battle manuals do not affect the VIP bonus or the server bonus, and not really even the regular VIP bonus. they are just adjusted on iRO for VIP so that they look like 1.5x whatever exp bonus they give for non-VIPs

 

Yeah, but they are not working that way. It would be nice for a CM to say if this behavior is intendend or not, and if not, have a look into this.

[Ashuckel]

Like they know '-'

[Campitor]

EXP Bonuses are additive not multiplicative.

 

The formula is something like

MonsterEXP * (VIP+ServerRate + BM + CostumeBonus) = EXP

 

 

So lets say McMoberSon gives 100 EXP when Killed

MonsterEXP = 100

 

VIP is a 50% Bonus

Server bonus is 25%

There is a 3xBM active 300%

and you have a 5% costume bonus

 

100 * (.5+1.25+3+.05) = EXP

100 * (1.75+3+.05) = EXP

100 * (4.75+.05) = EXP

100 * (4.8) = EXP

480 = EXP

 

This is how EXP Bonuses Work

 

 

 

Like they know '-'

*cough*

[Valadez]

The issue we have Camp is that BMx3 gives +200% for non-VIP but +350% for VIP so that VIPs still get 50% more experience than non-VIPs but on the wiki is stats that HE Battle Manuals do a similar thing and yet it appears that they do not. Is this meant to be the case? We understand that it's additive.

 

Also Costume experience bonus appears to actually be multiplicative, not additive.

Edited by Valadez, 05 April 2016 - 09:18 AM.

[Campitor]

The issue we have Camp is that BMx3 gives +200% for non-VIP but +350% for VIP so that VIPs still get 50% more experience than non-VIPs but on the wiki is stats that HE Battle Manuals do a similar thing and yet it appears that they do not. Is this meant to be the case? We understand that it's additive.

The bonus the manual gives is set when the item is used. It pulls your VIP status when you eat the manual. So in your testing if you used the manual, got the EXP value then purchased VIP the manual bonus would not change.

[Necrohealiac]

The issue we have Camp is that BMx3 gives +200% for non-VIP but +350% for VIP so that VIPs still get 50% more experience than non-VIPs but on the wiki is stats that HE Battle Manuals do a similar thing and yet it appears that they do not. Is this meant to be the case? We understand that it's additive.
 
Also Costume experience bonus appears to actually be multiplicative, not additive.

based on the formula provided, shouldn't bmx3 give 300% for non-vip and 350% for vip, assuming no costumes or other server events? non-vip 100*(3) and vip 100*(3.5).

[Ashuckel]

*cough*

So thats what it takes for u to step up, good to know

[Valadez]

Sorry, it's +200% for non-VIP and +300% for VIP.

100% + 200% = 300% for non-VIP

100% + 50% + 300% = 450% for VIP. Still 50% higher experience than non-VIP.

[Kusanagisama]

EXP Bonuses are additive not multiplicative.

 

The formula is something like

MonsterEXP * (VIP+ServerRate + BM + CostumeBonus) = EXP

 

 

So lets say McMoberSon gives 100 EXP when Killed

MonsterEXP = 100

 

VIP is a 50% Bonus

Server bonus is 25%

There is a 3xBM active 300%

and you have a 5% costume bonus

 

100 * (.5+1.25+3+.05) = EXP

100 * (1.75+3+.05) = EXP

100 * (4.75+.05) = EXP

100 * (4.8) = EXP

480 = EXP

 

This is how EXP Bonuses Work

 

Applying this formula, the value I got is different from the actual exp output in game. It's working exactly as Valadez said, at least with HE Battle Manuals, and they are not giving the aditional 50% exp for VIPs. Here:

 

It works by adding +100% to your exp so because of the experience event plus VIP if you have that it ends up not actually being double experience.

 

Without manual

14,894 (base experience) * 1.4 (level difference bonus) * (1+0.5[vip bonus]+0.5[server exp event]+0.5[vip exp event])*1.3(Costume: Googles) = 67,767
14,894*1.4*(1+0.5+0.5+0.5)*1.3 = 67,767

 

With manual

14,894 (base experience) * 1.4 (level difference bonus) * (1+0.5[vip bonus]+0.5[server exp event]+0.5[vip exp event]+1[HE Battle Manual])*1.3(Costume: Googles) = 94,874
14,894*1.4*(1+0.5+0.5+0.5+1)*1.3 = 94,874

 

You're currently receiving a 40% overall exp bonus from using the HE Battle Manual currently.

 

These numbers are exactly what I'm getting in game.
 

The bonus the manual gives is set when the item is used. It pulls your VIP status when you eat the manual. So in your testing if you used the manual, got the EXP value then purchased VIP the manual bonus would not change.

 

Quoted this just to say that in my tests with HE BM, I had VIP status from the start to the end, so I believe this doesn't apply.

 

Are the battle manuals supposed to give VIPs a 50% higher bonus than to non-VIPs (75%/150%/300% additional exp for Battle Manual/HE BM/BMx3, respectively)? Because it seems that it's not giving them this bonus.

Edited by Kusanagisama, 05 April 2016 - 10:14 AM.

[1392140604170018137]

Sorry, it's +200% for non-VIP and +300% for VIP.
100% + 200% = 300% for non-VIP
100% + 50% + 300% = 450% for VIP. Still 50% higher experience than non-VIP.

450 and 300 are not 50 apart

[mrricebox]

450 and 300 are not 50 apart

The % sign matters bro.

[Valadez]

450 and 300 are not 50 apart

 

Now my desk is broken. Thanks.

[Necrohealiac]

based on the formula provided, shouldn't bmx3 give 300% for non-vip and 350% for vip, assuming no costumes or other server events? non-vip 100*(3) and vip 100*(3.5).