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#1 Hardc0re

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 11:55 AM

Is this char viable at all? I want to have some fun Crafting, Farming, MvPing and PvPing...

I know I won't be able to be the best WS ever with this build... but will I be useless??

 

The plan is to be an auto-attacker crit Whitesmith. Since I want to forge weapons, I can't have enough points for HS Cart Ram, I decided to put 10 in Shattering Strike for PvP, since I'll be in theory a fast attacker/critter.

 

Skill set:

http://irowiki.org/~...FdDeFaNedJbafJy

 

For stats, I was thinking something about this (pure stats and job/skills bonuses only, no gear):

STR: 79+11

AGI: 80+7

VIT: 44+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 28+12

LUK: 52+8

 

29 leftover points...

 

With berserker potion I have

180 ASPD with axes

179 ASPD with maces


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 06:37 PM

With this build you will have a lower crafting success rate then a pure forger blacksmith. Your str is not high enough to make it a viable battle smith build either, if you want to go for a hybrid agi build I would suggest dropping some vit to get more str. But even if you do that you will find you don't really have the damage to take out anything worth farming without having to spam pots. I would highly suggest not doing a hybrid build like this because you are just gimping yourself on both pvm and for forging.

With that said, agi battle smiths are fun to play, but are not as good as any other of the other agi based classes(sinx, the LK, gank stalker, ect...) it would make more sense to drop the agi and go for a tankier high str/vit build with reasonably high dex. You could increase str to 89 base, get 70 or so vit and still have enough points for a reasonably high dex. This build would be just as effective in crafting and would be better off at the high end farming as it would play like a more traditional SVD battlesmith.

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 12:38 PM

Yeah, made some changes...
 
STR: 89+11

AGI: 51+7

VIT: 49+6

INT: 2+6

DEX: 52+12

LUK: 52+8

 

I was messing around in the calcs with 99 str and lower agi and this one with 89 str and I liked this one better.

79 STR is really noticeable low at least on the calc, but the 89-99 difference isn't as much when you can achieve better ASPD.

The downisde is that I won't be able use some items to the fullest like Doom Slayer, but let's be real, I'll probably never have this item anyways.

 

60 Luk gives a nice bonus to compensate the lower STR and I can go fomr some fun crit builds, Dex is high enough to hit players and some weakers MvPs, 55 vit seems fine for MvPing too I guess.

 

Another option could be

STR: 99+11

AGI: 37+7

VIT: 49+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 48+12

LUK: 52+8

 

2 less aspd than previous build but Max STR, it actually does more damage than the previous one, but I don't know if a crit build would make sense with low ASPD...

 

Following your suggestion str/vit build with high dex I can do something like this

STR: 99+11

AGI: 1+7

VIT: 73+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 68+12

LUK: 2+8

 

Wich is probably a good build for MvP and PvP Even? But the forge chance will be 3,2% less than the first build.

And the ASPD is really awful... With Axes I have 173 (berserker potion and self buffs) with agi up+bless and 171 ASPD without Acolyte's buffs.

This one looks more like a regular Vit Battlesmith than a Battleforger tho, so I'm not sure if I should do this one.


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#4 Chaiso

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 06:35 PM

Use double Medal of Honor. That'll bring you up to 182 aspd


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 08:22 PM

 

Yeah, made some changes...
 
STR: 89+11

AGI: 51+7

VIT: 49+6

INT: 2+6

DEX: 52+12

LUK: 52+8

 

I was messing around in the calcs with 99 str and lower agi and this one with 89 str and I liked this one better.

79 STR is really noticeable low at least on the calc, but the 89-99 difference isn't as much when you can achieve better ASPD.

The downisde is that I won't be able use some items to the fullest like Doom Slayer, but let's be real, I'll probably never have this item anyways.

 

60 Luk gives a nice bonus to compensate the lower STR and I can go fomr some fun crit builds, Dex is high enough to hit players and some weakers MvPs, 55 vit seems fine for MvPing too I guess.

 

Another option could be

STR: 99+11

AGI: 37+7

VIT: 49+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 48+12

LUK: 52+8

 

2 less aspd than previous build but Max STR, it actually does more damage than the previous one, but I don't know if a crit build would make sense with low ASPD...

 

Following your suggestion str/vit build with high dex I can do something like this

STR: 99+11

AGI: 1+7

VIT: 73+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 68+12

LUK: 2+8

 

Wich is probably a good build for MvP and PvP Even? But the forge chance will be 3,2% less than the first build.

And the ASPD is really awful... With Axes I have 173 (berserker potion and self buffs) with agi up+bless and 171 ASPD without Acolyte's buffs.

This one looks more like a regular Vit Battlesmith than a Battleforger tho, so I'm not sure if I should do this one.

 

 

The issue with the first stat build you listed is that mid agi and mid vit don't work particularly well. You will have to low of flee to avoid anything, and the stuff that does hit you will hit you hard. So you really need to focus on one or the other. The reason I suggested a more traditional SVD battle smith is because it is generally more effective with pvm then a agi smith in general. Yes it would be lower success rate when crafting, but take it from someone who has a lvl 98/67 pure forger, you wont be happy with your forging %s when your cost of  making a weapon is 3x the cost of the weapon because you broke too many in attempts. Making a pure forger for forging is suggested 100% of the time, and in my opinion, doing a build that has less then 100% focus on forging wont be worth forging with.

 

For the first build you listed, I would drop some of the dex, if you have high crit chance you don't need the dex, also drop the vit to around 34+6 and add all the extra points into your agi. This would be a flee focused build with decent crit and decent aspd. Although when you do get hit you will be hit hard.

 

The build I was suggesting is a more skill based build rather then a auto attack build, using skills like cart rev and high speed cart ram to do the bulk of your damage rather then auto attacks, it would look something like this:

 

With job bonuses, skills, and gear. (Gear of note: 2x Ring[1] with mantis cards, Witches pumpkin hat + alarm mask combo, any armor with +3 str enchant)

 

110 str (87+23)

60 agi (53+7)

80 vit (64+6)

8 int (1+7)

60 dex (48+12)

9 luk (1+8)

 

this is without outside buffs from other players/scrolls and without the vip food bonuses.

 

You would have roughly around 177 aspd which could be increased with the use of a Thorny buckler+Bison horn combo once you start building up some zeny to gear up more with. This build also allows you to use weapons like Ice pick to get a bunch of extra damage out of your skills on high def mobs.

 

This is just my 2 cents. If you really want to go hybrid go for it, but you will find that being less effective at more things is still just being less effective.


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Posted 07 May 2016 - 06:03 AM

If I go the non-forge route, my options would be one of these:

 

STR: 99+11

AGI: 61+7

VIT: 59+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 46+12

LUK: 1+8

 

For 178 aspd (self buffs only)

 
or a more vit based one like
 

STR: 99+11

AGI: 15+7

VIT: 84+6

INT: 1+6

DEX: 50+12

LUK: 1+8

 

For 172 aspd (self buffs only)

 

But isn't that much vit kind of overkill??


Edited by Hardc0re, 07 May 2016 - 06:03 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2016 - 10:31 AM

Nowdays can pretty much go 1 agi and still have 186 aspd(190 if you use demon mask combo) with medal of honor. Are you still up for the challenge? :P

 

 

 

edit: on that 2nd build, dex 48 or 58 '-'


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Posted 09 May 2016 - 01:50 PM

Nowdays can pretty much go 1 agi and still have 186 aspd(190 if you use demon mask combo) with medal of honor. Are you still up for the challenge? :P

 

 

 

edit: on that 2nd build, dex 48 or 58 '-'

About that 50 dex, it's leftover points that won't make a difference in any other stat and will raise my hit rate for MvPs.

Putting them in agi would give me the same ASPD and I would lose hit and not gain a decent dodge, since i'm already low on AGI


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Posted 09 May 2016 - 10:06 PM

if you're making that MS to kill beelzebub/valks then yeah, you need all the hit you can get. If not can lower it and get some agi


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