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#1 fuyukikun

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 07:07 PM

i forgot how it is again?

head: +12 palace guard cap = 12%

mid: 3d glasses = 5%

low: ???

armor: supplement str with 3x 3% neutral reduct = 9%

shield: +12 immune shield = 12%

garment: +9 HBP with 90 vit and deviling = 60%, +7 upgrade part engine with deviling = 60%

shoes: ???

accs: ???

shadows: immune set = 2%

skill: skin tempering = 5%

 

total: 105%

 

in case of palace guard is +9, immune shield is +9 and i dont have luck with supplement str enchant, which resulted in total in 90%. how can i make it up to 100%? anything i missed?


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 07:41 PM

Tidung gives 5% resist to every element.

Resist Spell Pendant+Athena Earring gives another 1%

And Immune Shield gives 8+5%(13) neutral reduc at +12, i remember it was tested when they implemented it's update.

So there you got 97%, wich combined with hard def and soft def and other stuff will reduce mostly everything to 1. If you really want the 100%, get some Pope Cookies(3% all resist for some time).


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 07:58 PM

Rice Cake Pet is +1% neutral resist too.


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:59 PM

thanks
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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:41 PM

basis shadow, and i think parasite card on shield?


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:44 PM

ah yes, parasite card on top of immune shield


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 01:30 AM

Basis shadow works like Tatachi card
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:17 AM

so with GTB, you're practically invincible in PvM?


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:26 AM

There are elemental physical attacks too.
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:02 AM

Basis shadow works like Tatachi card

The individual parts are like a tatacho card, but the bonus when the sets worn together gives 2% neutral elemental resist. My vigorous tests have shown me that.

Fuyukikun dear why the sudden interest in neutral full resist again?

Consider the nightmare ancient mummy ( or whichever mummy it is for footgear, apparently adds 5% neutral resist, but im not sure which one that is whether its a tatacho weffect or actual neutral element damage resist. Go look back at that video of my mech i posted before, it shows the gears you should wear.

Edited by PervySageMarty, 09 February 2017 - 04:03 AM.

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:18 AM

The basis set coflicts with the Immune set wich also gives 2% neutral reduc.
Nightmare Ancient Mummy is a garment card, so no DR. The extra 5% is from the combo with the shoes Nightmare Mummy, but since it requires garment card slot, it's a nope.

And neutral reduc is nice for cecil TI :v
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:31 AM

The basis set coflicts with the Immune set wich also gives 2% neutral reduc.
Nightmare Ancient Mummy is a garment card, so no DR. The extra 5% is from the combo with the shoes Nightmare Mummy, but since it requires garment card slot, it's a nope.

And neutral reduc is nice for cecil TI :v


What a terrible shame about the mummy card. It must be very nice for Cecil indeed. Its also nice in general for MVPing. If i could, i would get an etran for that pesky downside effect from DR, even with wearing elemental armors it still hurts like a truck crashing into me and causing me to be reincarnated into another word...
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:49 AM

I only find Etran usefull for MVPs with 2 or more strong elemental attacks. Using a matching elemental armor+ DR+ proof pot makes u take only 32.5% of that element damage, wich is far more than enough in most cases.
Maybe for Valk(debatable), Ent and Nightmare Amdarais, that is, if ur not an sura coz MS is just stupidly good.
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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:35 AM

There are elemental physical attacks too.

In PvM? Like what? All i can think of are those "<element> attack" listed in monster databases.


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:42 AM

amdarais' magnum break, randel's holy cross, gertie's envenom.


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:56 AM

Fire Dark Claw says hello. 

 


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:03 AM

Aside those, there are some less obvious ones, like acid breath, ice breath, dark cross, dark grand cross, and known player skills as well, like magnum break, holy cross, envenom, etc etc


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:35 AM

So is it possible to get 100% all element reduction?


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:38 AM

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:49 AM

Oh, ok so it's not possible to be invincible then.


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 07:52 AM

Found it. :)) Alice + 40% neutral resist against mvp type? Stacks?
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Posted 21 May 2017 - 08:28 AM

Found it. :)) Alice + 40% neutral resist against mvp type? Stacks?


Aw papa wil

Stacks but isnt additive or something and therefore doesnt go 100%?
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Posted 21 May 2017 - 03:02 PM

Idk also cause i have no immune shield atm. Example. In case of range reduction, Cranial seems to stack additively in WoE cause ranger misses when they atk. My mech have total 75 range reduction. So including the thara frog effect total 105 thats my conclusion lol. I have normal flee rate and rangers have decent hit rate right so why do they miss?
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Posted 01 June 2017 - 03:34 AM

maybe we should add that ocp itens, Nyan if i'm not wrong, shoes add neutral resist as well.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 05:39 AM

lian shoes

 

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