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#1 earthminion

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 12:05 AM

Hi, can you make the useless skill more useful.

So that we will be able to use the all skills in game.

If we use every skill in the game. It would be interesting to see.

Instead of going through it.

 

My list of useless skills.

 

Warrior

1. Blazing Youth (Fire Hammer) - The ice hammer can make you slow,- def but fire make nothing except burn.

2. Sword Mastery - +70 atk at lv.5 is very useless when your lv. are 30+. Maybe turn it into % (Not final atk)

Knight

3. Aerial Blow (Toy Hammer) - Who actually use this?

Paladin

4. Provoke - Make the monster attack you. This skill do nothing except the beautiful effect lol. In others game this kind of skill will increase def.

Gladiator

5. Aerial Blow (Toy Hammer) - Who actually use this?

Myrmidon

6. Magnum Break (TNT) - Only useful when you are in F7. Only make the Bomb bleed.

Mage

7. Point Buster - Useful when you are in 1st class. Then useless since Monk and Sorcerer are not doing the air combo.

8. Re launch - Useful when you are in 1st class. Then useless since Monk and Sorcerer are not doing the air combo.

9. Fortress - This skill is useless since the begining.

10. Magic Enchantment - Same with Sword Mastery.

11. Magician Wisdom - Potion is very cheap. The buff skill(1st class) from Mage and Summon is very useless. Unlike the other class.

Monk

12. Mp Recover Increase - Potion is very cheap.

13. Lighting Strike - It make the your enemy fall down and you can't attack it with you x-spam. Maybe you can make it don't fall down when lv.1-2 and launch the enemy when it lv. 3-5

Priest

14. Spark Rock - This skill is useless unless you have the magnet skill. Because it can't lock the enemy or to make it worse, the enemy can escape (pvp). It has low area of skill too. I can remember when this skill was before the New Origin patch It has very large of AOE.

Wizard

15. Battle hit - Who actually use this?

16. Spear Mastery - Same with Sword Mastery.

17. Tornado - Launch enemy to the air. Mage class are not doing the air combo. Maybe you can increase the number of hit each lv. of skill.

18. Deadly Poison - Very useless upgrade of skill.

Warlock

19. 2 laser skills. Only hit 1 hit and make the enemy fall down.

20. Disease - Who actually use this?

21. Fire ink - This skill do nothing to the enemy. The damage too.

Archer

22. Bow Mastery - Same with Sword Mastery

Hunter

23. Disruption Web - Only increase poison. When you pvp this skill may break Monk's Witch Curse skill.

24. Hallucination - Evade is useless now. Unless you upgrade the Mesmerize skill it will useful.

Pathfinder

25. Claymore & Detonator - Who actually use this?????

26. Untouchable - Worst Skill Ever. It is a suicide skill that make you feel depression or maybe want to delete this game if you spend the 60 skill point on it.

Markmans

27. Homing Missile - U already have Anti Air Shot. This skill don't make the enemy stay in the air like the first patch.

Specialist

28. Fire Grenade - Maybe turn into Ice Grenade?

Destroyer

29. Self Bomber - This skill only has 1 hit and useless since the element patch.

Theif

30. Somersault Kick - This skill is useless when you are lv.20+

31. Double Attack - Maybe you can make this skill work with Chain Combo?

32. Venom - <snip> (Edit by Popcorn: Watch your language please!)

Bandit

33. Claw Mastery - Same with Sword Mastery.

34. Mind Reading - Same with Hallucination (24)

35. Intelligent - Opposite with the skill name. Unless you like to party with Mage or Summon.

Rogue

36. Mega Drill Drive - It make the enemy fall down. Maybe you can make the enemy don't fall down.

37. Sonic Boom - Who actually use this?

38. Judge Dread - More like Noob Dread

Infiltrator

39. Gimlet - 

Assassin

40. Devilstrom Dart - 

41. Perfect Strike - Maybe you can make this skill lock the enemy.

42. Cherry Blossom Shower - 

43. Leaf Fall -

Ninja

44. Protect Edge - Make it can use when you are in Ninja mode. But it still useless.

Shaman

45. Ground Piston -

46. Air Splash - 

47. Spike Wave - It has very high of cast time. When you are finish the casting your HP might be 20%/100%.

48. Breath of Nature - Same with Magician Wisdom. (11)

Summoner

49. Attack -

50. Inferno -

51. Volcano -

52. Meteor Rain - 

Eiementalist

53. Poison Guard -

54. Mega Inferno -

Spirit Lord

55. Pain Division - When you just love your pet more than your life.

Twin Fighter

56. One Sword-One Cut - 

57. Mc Spin Kick - 

58. Mc Rocket Blow -

Twin

59. Hyper Knee Kick -

60. Smash Kick -

61. Impact Blow -

62. Dragon Upper -

Mirage

63. Screw Dropkick -

64. Swish Kick -

65. Fish Harmony - I still don't know what does this skill do.

66. Finish Move - 

67. Finish Impact -

 

Ps. I'm lazy now.

 

Please make those skill more useful. It would be interesting.

 

Do you have your useless skill in mind? Let me know.

 

 

Edit by Popcorn: Red text is reserved for moderation purposes. Please don't use red text. Also please watch your language. We also don't accept bypassing our word filter. Thanks. 

 

I also moved this topic to the section "Class Discussion". It is more fitting in that section.

 

 

 


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#2 Turpi

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:56 AM

Hi, can you make the useless skill more useful.

So that we will be able to use the all skills in game.

If we use every skill in the game. It would be interesting to see.

Instead of going through it.

 

My list of useless skills.

 

Warrior

1. Blazing Youth (Fire Hammer) - The ice hammer can make you slow,- def but fire make nothing except burn. - Burn deals nice dmg over time (depends on the grade)

2. Sword Mastery - +70 atk at lv.5 is very useless when your lv. are 30+. Maybe turn it into % (Not final atk) Good for low level chars

Knight

3. Aerial Blow (Toy Hammer) - Who actually use this? 

Paladin

4. Provoke - Make the monster attack you. This skill do nothing except the beautiful effect lol. In others game this kind of skill will increase def.

Gladiator

5. Aerial Blow (Toy Hammer) - Who actually use this?

Myrmidon

6. Magnum Break (TNT) - Only useful when you are in F7. Only make the Bomb bleed. Idk if it gives superarmor, bot if it does its in every way a usefull skill

Mage

7. Point Buster - Useful when you are in 1st class. Then useless since Monk and Sorcerer are not doing the air combo.

8. Re launch - Useful when you are in 1st class. Then useless since Monk and Sorcerer are not doing the air combo.

9. Fortress - This skill is useless since the begining.

10. Magic Enchantment - Same with Sword Mastery. good dmg at low levels

11. Magician Wisdom - Potion is very cheap. The buff skill(1st class) from Mage and Summon is very useless. Unlike the other class.

Monk

12. Mp Recover Increase - Potion is very cheap.

13. Lighting Strike - It make the your enemy fall down and you can't attack it with you x-spam. Maybe you can make it don't fall down when lv.1-2 and launch the enemy when it lv. 3-5

Priest

14. Spark Rock - This skill is useless unless you have the magnet skill. Because it can't lock the enemy or to make it worse, the enemy can escape (pvp). It has low area of skill too. I can remember when this skill was before the New Origin patch It has very large of AOE.

Wizard

15. Battle hit - Who actually use this? 

16. Spear Mastery - Same with Sword Mastery.

17. Tornado - Launch enemy to the air. Mage class are not doing the air combo. Maybe you can increase the number of hit each lv. of skill.

18. Deadly Poison - Very useless upgrade of skill.

Warlock

19. 2 laser skills. Only hit 1 hit and make the enemy fall down.

20. Disease - Who actually use this?

21. Fire ink - This skill do nothing to the enemy. The damage too.

Archer

22. Bow Mastery - Same with Sword Mastery

Hunter

23. Disruption Web - Only increase poison. When you pvp this skill may break Monk's Witch Curse skill. important passive for sentinels in pvp

24. Hallucination - Evade is useless now. Unless you upgrade the Mesmerize skill it will useful. still feels like dodging more skills and if you need that skill to unlock a better one it seems fair

Pathfinder

25. Claymore & Detonator - Who actually use this????? not me, but its a funny skill

26. Untouchable - Worst Skill Ever. It is a suicide skill that make you feel depression or maybe want to delete this game if you spend the 60 skill point on it. Best Skill ever! And a funny one also, but yes 60 SP are op since SPs are expensive. No1 forces you to skill this one and the skill has some nice effects and a high stratetic use

Markmans

27. Homing Missile - U already have Anti Air Shot. This skill don't make the enemy stay in the air like the first patch. you use aas, then pause for a moment, people try to jump out, use homing missile, which got a nice detonation range (and which will hit some people even after they jumped out since everything is buggy), and most people will be unable to jump out of the air after you used it, wich makes it ------> usefull. Only the animation is a bit too laggy/slow for me, which makes it harder to bind it into a successful combo

Specialist

28. Fire Grenade - Maybe turn into Ice Grenade?

Destroyer

29. Self Bomber - This skill only has 1 hit and useless since the element patch. lets you escape some aircombos -> usefull

Theif

30. Somersault Kick - This skill is useless when you are lv.20+ i see many good pvper using this

31. Double Attack - Maybe you can make this skill work with Chain Combo?

32. Venom - <snip> (Edit by Popcorn: Watch your language please!)

Bandit

33. Claw Mastery - Same with Sword Mastery.

34. Mind Reading - Same with Hallucination (24)

35. Intelligent - Opposite with the skill name. Unless you like to party with Mage or Summon.

Rogue

36. Mega Drill Drive - It make the enemy fall down. Maybe you can make the enemy don't fall down.

37. Sonic Boom - Who actually use this?

38. Judge Dread - More like Noob Dread

Infiltrator

39. Gimlet - 

Assassin

40. Devilstrom Dart -  bleed + falldown, what do you want more? Agitodesu suggested a faster animation for this.. might make it used more often. not a bad idea tho

41. Perfect Strike - Maybe you can make this skill lock the enemy. that means? lock? just increase the dmg and decrease the cooldown

42. Cherry Blossom Shower -  nice skill, nothing wrong with it

43. Leaf Fall - nice skill, nothing wrong with it

Ninja

44. Protect Edge - Make it can use when you are in Ninja mode. But it still useless. 

Shaman

45. Ground Piston -

46. Air Splash - 

47. Spike Wave - It has very high of cast time. When you are finish the casting your HP might be 20%/100%.

48. Breath of Nature - Same with Magician Wisdom. (11)

Summoner

49. Attack -

50. Inferno -

51. Volcano -

52. Meteor Rain - 

Eiementalist

53. Poison Guard -

54. Mega Inferno -

Spirit Lord

55. Pain Division - When you just love your pet more than your life.

Twin Fighter

56. One Sword-One Cut - 

57. Mc Spin Kick - 

58. Mc Rocket Blow -

Twin

59. Hyper Knee Kick -

60. Smash Kick -

61. Impact Blow -

62. Dragon Upper -

Mirage

63. Screw Dropkick -

64. Swish Kick -

65. Fish Harmony - I still don't know what does this skill do.

66. Finish Move - 

67. Finish Impact -

 

Ps. I'm lazy now.

 

Please make those skill more useful. It would be interesting.

 

Do you have your useless skill in mind? Let me know.

 

 

Edit by Popcorn: Red text is reserved for moderation purposes. Please don't use red text. Also please watch your language. We also don't accept bypassing our word filter. Thanks. 

 

I also moved this topic to the section "Class Discussion". It is more fitting in that section.

 

 

 

since you even listed good skills as useless i dont get how you could forget to add marksman aerial flurry. After you unlocked it, it gets activated together with shotdown hotkey. Maybe some people uses it, but in my eyes this is the only useless skill here together with battle hit. But at least you dont need Aerial Flurry to unlock other skills. So just dont skill it.

 


Edited by Turpi, 20 April 2017 - 03:01 AM.

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#3 Nobility

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:18 AM

The selfish guy response:
 
Even though I dont agree with half of the skills on ur list as being useless, I'd rather say nothing so that clueless individuals such as urself get these skills buffed for players such as myself to greatly benefit from the changes. 
 
The forum-friendly response:
 
Every skill has its uses , therefore, there are no "useless" skills. Players just prefer to go for easy OP dmging skills such as shootdown for example and disregard all other skills that they have. Because of this, some skills are used more often than others though that doesnt necessarily mean that these other skills are useless. Their dmg may be lackluster compared to other available options but they can still be used mid combo. Also, a lot of the skills mentioned r from the 1st & 2nd class tree. If they're buffed to the point where they're too good, u're indirectly nerfing the already easy PvE system. 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:49 AM

well depends then on what people see as useless.

 

for me a skill is useless if it doesnt works as supposed to do and if it in addition slows you down / creates an opening for the opponent in pvp. Like with battlehit in pve/pvp and aerial flurry. 

 

Aerial Flurry got used by some people for escaping some air? combos i guess, but battlehit has no such use and is in kinda everyway slower than the normal x-atk and therefor more useless. also the skill gets activated automatically if you are near a target + its a preskill for other skills.

 

thats being said i would call it useless since this skill has no use beside slowing you dps down once you get close to an opponent. 


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#5 earthminion

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:43 AM

I am so sorry.

I have make a big mistake about this discussion. T_T


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#6 Turpi

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 11:44 AM

wtf, dont worry.

 

its good to talk about various stuff and to gather different opinions as long it stays civil.

 

most skills that you listed like staff mastery and so on are pretty useless ingame but speed the game up in the beginning. when i started here i never skilled them because i didnt want to waste a reskill scroll. but today i can say they are pretty worth to be skilled in the beginning. 70 dmg + is alot if your weapon only deals 200dmg at the start.

 

maybe you should make a "how to use different skills"  thread where we can try to explain the advantages of some skills. and those which dont wotk like they are supposed to can be posted in another thread where you can discuss about further changes or ideas related to the skill- for example sorcerers "battlehit". shouldnt be activated with the normal x key when you are close to a target at least. this way the skill would at least not harm you in pve.

 

 


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#7 Precrush

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:53 AM

Useless is a very strong term and like people have said it doesn't apply on most skills, although many are also useless. Now that's not to say some skills are very bad or badly designed like the buffs that are only slightly useful on the very early levels. Those could be improved for sure. I don't think there should be some massive skill over haul though, could just buff a skill here and there and see what sticks. That avoid making it a massive job with balancing and all that.


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Posted 23 April 2017 - 02:12 PM

I think a better title would be "skills in need of buffing" rather than "useless skills", considering many of these skills can be used and are used fairly often by pvpers. However, I can't deny that many of them are in need of buffing. That is not to say, though, that every skill a class has should be incredibly useful or strong.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 12:20 AM

Well! The idea is good and adaptable.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 03:03 AM

well you can buff every single skill in the game since % final damage and auto atck empowerment are the only true damage way


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:41 AM

Can't really agree on the Mage > Wizard > Warlock skills, maybe some of them are weak, but not useless. Every skill is kinda useful in his own way (the skills u wrote).
But well i agree on Fire Ink / Octopus gun, this one is actually terrible. "A CHANCE " of stunning someone with a 50% chance on lv. 10, way too long casttime/animation and the range is bad. This one is really useless, but the others aren't that bad.


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