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[Javaman144]

So I was looking for a weapon in leveling on NCT and the +12 to +14 crimson maces looks very tempting to buy.
Do the element factor in a big damage on Cart Cannon calculation ?
I was thinking of getting a +9 Twin Edge but if the Crimson mace would output more damage then I might get that.

[folkvangr]

big bell are neutral3

 

you could test each situation here :

 

drazzy.com/ro/calc/gencompare.shtml

[Amongluttony]

They are Neutral, so better get a +15 Crimson Mace, if you have Megs then go with +12~+15 Robot Arm :v

[Ashuckel]

element will only matter if the mob has an element too

[Javaman144]

huh yeah i totally forgot about the element of big ben.

Thanks guys

[Javaman144]

Just a follow up question,
Leveling on NCT is a menblatt required or should I stick to my Devi?

[Ashuckel]

You should see what works for you.

With menblatt their hits will be very painfull, but if you can just kyte them very well or use thorn trap then there should be n problem.

With DR you are more at ease to facetank mobs, and have not to worry much about screwing up anything and dying instantly.

I only used DR setup for gene on NCT so far, but that's because the whole setup was built around being almost a GX with leech gear and surviving on that+ instant cast and some very ridiculous damage+spam. Facetanking also made BP enchant more valuable, as it would proc all the time and give a big damage boost.

Spoiler

Tho it's very improbable for most ppl to run it, mainly for the gears used, this was it:

Spoiler

+9 Rideword Hat[Kiel]
Black Frame Glasses[Kiel]
Blood Sucker
Brynhild
Mjolnir
+4 Round Buckler[Penomena]
+9 Heroic Backpack[Deviling]
+6 Temporal Dex Boots ea4 Bear's Power
Megingjard
Megingjard

+28 Physical Set
+27 Malicious Set
Fullmoon, atk% costumes
SP leech garment

constantly on +20 str/dex/int/luk, takoyaki, celermine, hp inc, VIP buffs

Succubus Pet

Instant cast through stats, very high damage, very tanky and leeches all damage received back easily, for being facetanking BP would proc all the time increasing the damage dramatically(45k+), as spammable as RC.

[Javaman144]

You should see what works for you.

With menblatt their hits will be very painfull, but if you can just kyte them very well or use thorn trap then there should be n problem.

With DR you are more at ease to facetank mobs, and have not to worry much about screwing up anything and dying instantly.

I only used DR setup for gene on NCT so far, but that's because the whole setup was built around being almost a GX with leech gear and surviving on that+ instant cast and some very ridiculous damage+spam. Facetanking also made BP enchant more valuable, as it would proc all the time and give a big damage boost.

Spoiler

Tho it's very improbable for most ppl to run it, mainly for the gears used, this was it:

Spoiler

+9 Rideword Hat[Kiel]
Black Frame Glasses[Kiel]
Blood Sucker
Brynhild
Mjolnir
+4 Round Buckler[Penomena]
+9 Heroic Backpack[Deviling]
+6 Temporal Dex Boots ea4 Bear's Power
Megingjard
Megingjard

+28 Physical Set
+27 Malicious Set
Fullmoon, atk% costumes
SP leech garment

constantly on +20 str/dex/int/luk, takoyaki, celermine, hp inc, VIP buffs

Succubus Pet

Instant cast through stats, very high damage, very tanky and leeches all damage received back easily, for being facetanking BP would proc all the time increasing the damage dramatically(45k+), as spammable as RC.

 

 

Hmm that seems to be a good plan,
I'll probably stick to devi for now,
Thank you for your help.

[Amongluttony]

You should see what works for you.

With menblatt their hits will be very painfull, but if you can just kyte them very well or use thorn trap then there should be n problem.

With DR you are more at ease to facetank mobs, and have not to worry much about screwing up anything and dying instantly.

I only used DR setup for gene on NCT so far, but that's because the whole setup was built around being almost a GX with leech gear and surviving on that+ instant cast and some very ridiculous damage+spam. Facetanking also made BP enchant more valuable, as it would proc all the time and give a big damage boost.

Spoiler

Tho it's very improbable for most ppl to run it, mainly for the gears used, this was it:

Spoiler

+9 Rideword Hat[Kiel]
Black Frame Glasses[Kiel]
Blood Sucker
Brynhild
Mjolnir
+4 Round Buckler[Penomena]
+9 Heroic Backpack[Deviling]
+6 Temporal Dex Boots ea4 Bear's Power
Megingjard
Megingjard

+28 Physical Set
+27 Malicious Set
Fullmoon, atk% costumes
SP leech garment

constantly on +20 str/dex/int/luk, takoyaki, celermine, hp inc, VIP buffs

Succubus Pet

Instant cast through stats, very high damage, very tanky and leeches all damage received back easily, for being facetanking BP would proc all the time increasing the damage dramatically(45k+), as spammable as RC.

 

Every time i see a user with double Kiel card make me cry, since i farming kiel for at least 4 months and...well you know the sad ending...

[Javaman144]

Hmm that seems to be a good plan,
I'll probably stick to devi for now,
Thank you for your help.

 

About the weapon,
Should I get a +9 Twin Edge Red or a +12 Crimson ?

I'll be carding them with Pecopeco Egg
I can't afford a Mjolnir obviously 

[DataDrain]

Hi Ms./Mr. Java,

 

You can get quite accurate results by comparing it here

[Javaman144]

Hi Ms./Mr. Java,

 

You can get quite accurate results by comparing it here

 

oh yeah i totally forgot i tried that out,
Pecopeco egg card counts as +% physical right?

[DataDrain]

yes, correct

[Javaman144]

yes, correct

 

Thanks !
It seems that a +9 Twin edge is on par with a +12 crimson due to teh extra card slot.
I think i might go with a twin edge.

[DataDrain]

Aside from damage you could also consider about the flexibility of mace class weapon size modifier on both large & medium monsters and the natural unbreakable attribute of mace class weapon in case you're dieter player with intensive pyroclast use

[Javaman144]

Aside from damage you could also consider about the flexibility of mace class weapon size modifier on both large & medium monsters and the natural unbreakable attribute of mace class weapon in case you're dieter player with intensive pyroclast use

I currently got a Sera for my homun and might change that.
Hmmm

[folkvangr]

for NCT run i prefer switching between +9 triple HF RTE & +9 triple AS RTE, with DR garment and BP boots, no need for PK

 

[Javaman144]

for NCT run i prefer switching between +9 triple HF RTE & +9 triple AS RTE, with DR garment and BP boots, no need for PK

How is your damage using the triple AS rte ?

[folkvangr]

How is your damage using the triple AS rte ?

 

30ish  HF / 38-40k AS / 45-50k AS with bp proc

 

 

succubus pet

sapphire wrist x2

tengu set

DR HBP

 

+7 cylinder

+9 str/bp/ea4

+9 mali set

+9 phys set

 

switch to 3HF if your hp low. just 2-3 shot can refill ur  hp.

switch to 3HF if you tanking a large group, HF with BP proc still produce decent damage

[mikkotinamide]

What about sp? Do genes need sp leech?

[LiteAdi]

Use Hf torn trap and see the damage plus deviling

[yuijunyui]

Just tested with Big bell card and Neo Punk Combo. doesn't work for Cart Cannon.

[DataDrain]

cart cannon already bypass monsters defense, use peco egg card instead for formless monsters/ Archer skel for general ranged boost