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#1 GeymOpTrows

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 10:30 PM

So how's your farming? Wouldn't be a shame if... SOMEONE PKed YOU!  :p_sick:  :p_sick:  :p_sick:

1 sin point for the accused BUT that stays for 10 minutes. 10 minutes can past away quickly after autofarm. then PK spree begins again. 

 

but what if sin points don't refresh? or every sin point has a significant penalty?

 

 

The other one is the lvl requirement on 70 plus maps. MOBS over Sphinx to Glastheim lobby are OP man.

 

Its either don't recommend to go there until we're 75 plus or anything.

 

 

Also, there has been a timeshift happened. I don't know what caused this but I need to know  :p_sad:  :p_sad:  We expect in our time here that GD opens up at 11:00 pm( my guild is very eager to kill that ORC LORD and his minions of minorus WANNABE orcs  :heh:  :heh:


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 04:33 AM

Jeez. How many People do you see PK'ing others? I've never seen one tho. Maybe they saw you bragging about something or just you're in their farm area. Try changing CHannels. Also, there are good people out there that PK's you because they saw you not doing anything. so to restart your auto hunt, They PK you, so once you get back on your place, you would be attacking now.

This people also gets blamed a lot even though they're the ones who helps.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 05:40 AM

Panda - you keep saying "good people" if they're good why are they killing afk people? If they're skilled why can they only PK people who are afk? Makes no sense.

Starting to wonder if you're one of those players trying to defend them on an unknown name because you don't want PK to get mangled and have PKers punished severely for PKing via the Sin system.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 07:08 AM

Make the sin stay in 1 hour. If sin pass 10 you can't attack anything. Happy !! And that PandaSucker just stay in the level 1 zone , don't know what happened in the gold farm spot. 


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 08:39 AM

Everyone hating on PK but PK plays an EXTREMELY important role. Especially when this entire game is built on whoever last hits the mob gets the goods. It announces boss spawns and has free PK zones because we are meant to fight over them, not be passive and friendly about who is going to get the boss kill.  It feeds the community by forcing players to either step up or step off.  Right now the goal is to farm as much stuff as fast as possible to stay ahead of the general population.  Eventually there are going to be 50 people AFK at all the bosses (just like there is typically at Angeling, Ghostring and GTB) and you will have to pick 1 boss to go fight each reset.  I'm not particularly looking forward to that so I want to get all my stuff now.

I can't speak for the people over taking a spot by PK'n someone who is already there, but I will tell you - If I am at a spot and you show up to try and kill some mobs or sneak some last hits in, you bet your ass I will PK you.

 

If you show up to a world boss that you have no business being at because you want a chance at some free loot. I'm going to PK you. Its that simple.  80% of this server is parasites that want to feed off the progress of the higher end players.

 

Right now I can tell you it takes easily 5 -10 ygg leafs per person (safe estimate) to kill Tao, Kthull, Satan, Chepet, Marionette, RSX and Valk.  So when a little peon show up and want to try and snipe, we are going to kill you on the spot.  I go into all the boss fights with the mentality - I can kill this without you being here, but you cannot kill it without me being here so you have no business being here.

 

There is also a ton of hypocrisy - I know for a fact that a lot of lower level players PK in Pyramid and Sphinx as well (80-100 levels).  Shady Business is just getting the targeted hate because we are at the top.  

Sin staying for any period of time won't matter because they aren't going to remove the atonement potion. I buy them all the time after I mass kill at Angeling or GTB.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 09:21 AM

So for a class like mine (Priest) you're saying I don't deserve to play because I can not compete DPS wise and I'm squishy. Unless I was in Shady Business then I'd have guildmates protecting me (and their low levels)?

Sure. Makes sense.

Only about, 5 ish players might have a chance against Shady Business. And certain members of Shady Business cuss everyone out, call names, tell players lower than them/not in their guild pathetic in world chat. They complain people are weaker and when people try to get stronger they stalk them around and PK them so they can't advance.

Hell, if it weren't for individual dungeons people would barely be able to level due to this.

Shady Business will either cause WP to change the PK system or they'll end up playing with themselves because new players won't want to play on the server (not just SB but any guild that monopolizes things on any server and SB isn't the only one doing it on Server 1 either). And if the game makes no money WP will shut it down. Simple as that.

You're justifying it because you're on top. If you were on the bottom you'd be complaining. You'll claim you wouldn't do it for show but you would. You'd probably get frustrated and quit too.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 09:58 AM

Priest is a great class, you just aren't geared enough or running the right build. Magic is great early on but after lvl 100 you have to be physical to get passed Challenge or do bosses. Get your gear up, don't try to do content you aren't geared for, especially if it requires multiple people to do.  Players aren't entitled to a shot at a boss just because they show up.

Please drop some names of Shady Business, even if its in private message. I will get to the bottom of it but please provide full screenshots of conversation as proof because I can almost guarantee that no high level player in Shady is doing any of that unprovoked. It is usually instigated by some little sugar ant complaining that they can't get stuff because players are better geared than them.

I wasn't always in Shady and I wasn't always a top player. And you are right, I was angry when I was randomly PK'd but It was part of the game and I just kept playing, upgrading, advancing my character. I didn't threaten to quit, I didn't come to the forums with pitchfork and torch. I created tools to help the community and better my character so I could surpass those that were picking on me. You know, I still haven't surpassed some of them, but I did start whispering them and trying to understand why they were doing what they were doing, and sometimes it turned out it was my fault and I owned up and apologized.

Most of this community doesn't want to be friendly with one another, yes, they have their social network but they want to be better than everyone else, they want the loot for themselves. Give it another month or 2, the current wave of people complaining are going to be doing the exact same thing we are doing now on a much larger scale when they realize they are stuck in the same stupid zone for 30+ levels and there is even more competition for leveling spots.  


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 10:05 AM

You're justifying it because you're on top. If you were on the bottom you'd be complaining. You'll claim you wouldn't do it for show but you would. You'd probably get frustrated and quit too.

 

You know how we got on top?? We put in the extra effort and money to make it on top. We didn't cry about it.. we just went and did it. I would never have been on "the bottom" because I refuse to be. Hence why I kill anyone who gets in my way.

 

I didn't make the rules of this game. I just take advantage of them. 


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 12:57 PM

I'm currently testing magic, that's why it's my build. I keep changing it around. The stats and skills (obviously) don't follow old school. Oddly I found that magic past 100 does more than physical but it has gaps due to the CDs. It's much better to kill things in groups quickly. Also you can't really go magic at low level. Mid level and high level you can but the skill tree sorta forces you to go physical. Though considering Priests are squishy I'm being told to give up on DPS and just build defensively by a lot of players. But I'll keep testing.

I'm not really angry. More sad and disappointed. A lot of my friends have quit because they don't have money to compete.

You think in a month or two we'll still have players coming in? I actually doubt it if things don't balance out. If the original players continue moving on and bottlenecking end game and it becomes all about spending thousands to catch up we've passed micro transactions. That's not attractive. People want to feel like they can dump $10 in a game and have an advantage. And while you can do a lot in game without money it becomes harder to do so when people with money keep you from doing so.

The people who've PKed me have always been way above me. One of which at one point was 50 levels higher than me but kept killing me over and over while I tried to do dailies. Even when I moved spots they found me and kept doing it. What do you do at that point?

Most of this community actually does want to be friendly. It's the same names popping up that do not want to be friendly nor work with anyone. And again, it's not all Shady Business. Several other players from different guilds continuously cause grievance with the community. I would say most people have been nice and talk to me. But the ones that PK (even when it's not benefitting them) are also the ones cussing and threatening people in world chat. And again, it's a handful of people from multiple guilds.

You tell me to gear up and work on things. Over all - I can only do so much when I'm not allowed at boss spawns when certain players are around. I can only do so much when I don't have enough money to play catch up or buy all my stuff for diamonds. I can only do so much when I'm killed and kept from getting loot I could sell for diamonds.

I can only sit back, possibly wait for the heavy hitters to get bored when they don't allow new challengers to play, and then they quit and I'm high enough to keep moving on and happily doing my stat and skill testing.


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Posted 13 May 2017 - 07:32 PM

You think in a month or two we'll still have players coming in? I actually doubt it if things don't balance out. If the original players continue moving on and bottlenecking end game and it becomes all about spending thousands to catch up we've passed micro transactions. That's not attractive. People want to feel like they can dump $10 in a game and have an advantage. And while you can do a lot in game without money it becomes harder to do so when people with money keep you from doing so.

 

 

If a new player joins and is able to surpass me in a week.. after I've been playing 24/7 for a few months. That would be -_- depressing.. I dunno what the hell you've been smoking. You can't just log in and create a new character and magically be the strongest player in the game. You have to play, you have to pay, you have to grind, you have to kill people, you have to earn it all. The game lets the last hit get loot. So the loot system is not even based on who is actually the strongest, aside from PVP. But even Squall can kill steal your MVP while doing no damage to your boss, he does it all the time.


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Posted 14 May 2017 - 05:56 AM

If a new player joins and is able to surpass me in a week.. after I've been playing 24/7 for a few months. That would be -_- depressing.. I dunno what the hell you've been smoking. You can't just log in and create a new character and magically be the strongest player in the game. You have to play, you have to pay, you have to grind, you have to kill people, you have to earn it all. The game lets the last hit get loot. So the loot system is not even based on who is actually the strongest, aside from PVP. But even Squall can kill steal your MVP while doing no damage to your boss, he does it all the time.

Not what I said at all, but ok?


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Posted 15 May 2017 - 04:54 AM

In regards to SIN.  I lose 1 point every 10 minutes, or I can pay out my ass to remove sin.  After 15 SIn anyone can attack you even in peace mode, and after 30 SIN you can no longer teleport anywhere (Dungeons excluded) and you cannot use the shop.  I can tell you now that SIN works effectively, should someone more powerful come up and kill me enough that I have to rez in a safe spot.  I'm put back to starting area and have to walk back up to where I was.

  As for why I had 147 SIN (Ended at 177)  people kept AFKing on me to pick up the items that dropped from the turtles, even after warnings.  It took a total of 29.5 hrs to remove my sin.

 

Now imagine killing world bosses, or Labs.  You NEED potions for these bosses at end game.  So to say there is not impact with SIN, is wrong.

 

As for you Deeney, I do know we have a Matk priest that is doing quite well and can kill most players save for Kazul, Heart and Aza,   Will this mean that alone you will be able to join on higher world bosses, no, alone a player will be killed, and Ragnarok games were never games about sharing.  But it's the step in the right direction.  PS, we're recruiting as well.

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:00 AM

I believe Matk priests are awesome, especially for AOE. Tum was the one saying physical. I'm in the process of testing stats for magi priests. I do kill groups faster, I like it.

I applied to Shady a few weeks ago when they had 10 slots open but got denied. Now I've invested like, 250k contribution in Nomads so I dunno if I'd change unless they all quit.


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Posted 15 May 2017 - 02:38 PM

I hope SIN never reduce. So people have to make a new char  :gg:  :gg:  :gg:


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Posted 15 May 2017 - 06:36 PM

I got PK'd from a Shady Business player when all I was doing was daily, killing harmless creatures that I could kill without that person being there. Yet I got killed every time that person saw me in the dungeon. I had to change channels, which is NOT a solution. I want to play with people, strong people. But if those strong people are going to PK me because they "believe" I can't kill some thing without them, it's crap. I can kill world bosses alone if I had too, yet I get PK'd when I try. How do I know? I kill the big bosses in the dungeon alone, it just takes longer. 

I have also put money and time into the game. From what I can tell, needing to pay nearly $500 into a game to have top gear out the gate is insane. I don't see how these high level players are putting in less then a couple hundred. Unless the top players are paid to play or streamers, I don't see how they have either the free time to do it legit or how they make the kind of money needed to have top gear. 

Why can't there be a game where paying to level is optional? This game is clearly set up as a pay to win, you can tell from how long it takes to grind up levels. Unless someone wants to give me pointers to increase my level faster without spending money, then I'm all ears.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 12:45 AM

I'm just concerned about low leveled players or AFK autofarm players getting PKed randomly. Its like prey and predator. If there's some kind of duel invitation where they can PK all they want or a place where they can do damage on each other only. we have powerful AOE spells you know and in that  point, players can decline or accept that invitation.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 04:26 AM

Panda - you keep saying "good people" if they're good why are they killing afk people? If they're skilled why can they only PK people who are afk? Makes no sense.

Starting to wonder if you're one of those players trying to defend them on an unknown name because you don't want PK to get mangled and have PKers punished severely for PKing via the Sin system.

How did I use the "Good People" did I generalized all those who PKs? 

No.

I used " Also, there are good people out there that PK's you because they saw you not doing anything. so to restart your auto hunt, They PK you, so once you get back on your place, you would be attacking now."

You don't understand that do you? Maybe you lack the mind to play and understand better, but the will to argue.

I bet you don't even know how Auto-play works.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 04:33 AM

If you guys wanna cry and cry some more? make a thread for crybabies. For those who only thinks PK is a disadvantage to players. Stupid is forever. If you know you get PK'ed a lot, Then try improving yourself, make a new way, try and formulate your tactics. You won't get anything from crying. You're like a Soft-hearted Tender-care hearted people who gets everything from their parents alone.


And don't you blame those at the top, they're not like you, they worked their way through the top, with time, effort and money.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 05:20 AM

How did I use the "Good People" did I generalized all those who PKs? 

No.

I used " Also, there are good people out there that PK's you because they saw you not doing anything. so to restart your auto hunt, They PK you, so once you get back on your place, you would be attacking now."

You don't understand that do you? Maybe you lack the mind to play and understand better, but the will to argue.

I bet you don't even know how Auto-play works.

Please do read and UNDERSTAND first before Replying ^^

Never seen or heard of this. The only reason my character stops auto-hunting is when she's PKed. She wanders around then stands at a wall currently. :/


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:44 AM

Never seen or heard of this. The only reason my character stops auto-hunting is when she's PKed. She wanders around then stands at a wall currently. :/

 

not true. my character gets stuck while AFK farming on occasion for reasons unknown. I was there the whole time, watching a movie then stoopid fool decides that he is tired and just hopped on the mount and stopped moving. this sometimes happen when i sleep, wasting the whole night just standing there being an assbutt.

 

there are a lot of players who are PKing to steal a farming spot from you because they can. this is being done by a lot of players and not only by shady business. i do get killed by some members of shady business on random occasion, simply because they walked on the area near mine but i don't mind getting killed though because there is no penalty in dying on this game. just suck it up, respawn and teleport back to the area and carry on with your game. if you want to get revenge, gear up and find them later. you have their names on your Enemies list so it's up to you what to do with it. sometimes it's satisfying to have a feud/rivalry with someone. they kill you, you kill them back. provides fuel for you to git gud, well, i don't know for others but that's what it does for me.

 

what i don't like about their guild is how they control King of PvP. it should be a free for all yet they just gang up on everyone and control the event. This is the area that needs to be changed, not the field PK system. random spawn points should be implemented along with a larger map, similar to that of RO1 PvP map.

 

devs can probably make a PK protection item for those who do not want to get PKd but i doubt a lot of players will buy them because they cost diamonds to purchase and most of us don't buy diamonds. the little amount that we saved from selling items on market are being saved up to purchase more important stuff.

 

currently, there are no upside in PKing. you just get sin points that prevents you to buy pots and use teleport when you get 30 points and beyond which is a drag. if PK is to be changed, it should be reworked so that SIN points do not deteriorate overtime, rather force players to do a quest to atone for them. However, there should also be a perk system that will provide PKers with small benefits like titles or what not. or maybe add an NPC that can only be accessed by those who have enough SIN points, with SIN points being used as currency to purchase exclusive items from that black market NPC. this will probably cause more riot but hey, if it's here to stay why not make it better and worth doing :P


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:04 AM

I seen my character seem to get on her mount and stop attacking. However she was still actively using SP and getting exp. Being PKed sends her wandering off and half the time she doesn't go back to autohunting. Or if she does she gets PKed again.

 

I know it's not only Shady. But the main culprit is the game set up itself. It needs a lot of work. Like you said, random spawns, etc.

The upside to PK is control. You determine who gets boss items. Who controls certain areas, items, etc. You can potentially stop players from advancing in the game if you hold the best items and prevent them from getting the best items and materials to make items. I mean, people keep saying "get gud" but over all it'd take months with money to catch up level wise, but you're blocked from a lot of gear later on. It blows my mind that people think this is a good system. It's a first come first serve competitive system.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 03:36 PM

 
I disagree on formulating tactics. its a tab targetting game, not RTS , not RO2 where you can OUTPLAY using player movement or LoL to outitem other players. Plus, they are not crying about it. I, for one don't think like that. You can improve yourself, yes but if everyone keeps cherry picking on lowlevelled,freeloaders like me then what's there to improve? I understand that they invested so much in the game because they have the means but it does not justify those who prey on players who can't even outfight a mob.
 
 
 
 
That's a good suggestion about the random spawn and I agree on who controls certain areas( WORLD BOSS areas) and yes once you are PKed, you won't automatically go to your AFK farming place if you don't set in up ( you can setup auto-play but still they keep PKing you)
 
 
oohhh I like that SIN economy thingy :D but will that mean to everyone (lowleveled or highleveled) will start a massacre? XD :p_laugh:  altho I have never reached 20+ sin points. maybe thats why I thought that it is not fair. :p_sleep:
 
If Sin never reduce then PK system is out. 
 

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 03:42 AM

I got PK'd from a Shady Business player when all I was doing was daily, killing harmless creatures that I could kill without that person being there. Yet I got killed every time that person saw me in the dungeon. I had to change channels, which is NOT a solution. I want to play with people, strong people. But if those strong people are going to PK me because they "believe" I can't kill some thing without them, it's crap. I can kill world bosses alone if I had too, yet I get PK'd when I try. How do I know? I kill the big bosses in the dungeon alone, it just takes longer. 

I have also put money and time into the game. From what I can tell, needing to pay nearly $500 into a game to have top gear out the gate is insane. I don't see how these high level players are putting in less then a couple hundred. Unless the top players are paid to play or streamers, I don't see how they have either the free time to do it legit or how they make the kind of money needed to have top gear. 

Why can't there be a game where paying to level is optional? This game is clearly set up as a pay to win, you can tell from how long it takes to grind up levels. Unless someone wants to give me pointers to increase my level faster without spending money, then I'm all ears.

 

I hate to say, but switching channel is the solution.  We don't randomly go out and kill every player that's AFK.  We literally are AFK, the screen shot above where I have 100+ SIN I hadn't moved from that spot in 6 hours.  People came to me.  So if you notice that someone is AFK killing you, move channels.   

 

It would be different if we outright sought you out to kill you, WHICH in boss temple or odins temple, that will happen, from all types of people, not just Shady.

 

As for your leveling Inquiry, there is no faster way to level.  I'm 117 now and it takes 1.5 days PER level now.  I can't make it faster minus battle manuals.  There are ways in game to increase exp FOR FREE, but if you can't figure them out, I dunno why I should tell you.  They are clearly labeled.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 10:41 AM

I hate to say, but switching channel is the solution.  We don't randomly go out and kill every player that's AFK.  We literally are AFK, the screen shot above where I have 100+ SIN I hadn't moved from that spot in 6 hours.  People came to me.  So if you notice that someone is AFK killing you, move channels.  

 

would be nice if some of your guild members don't go AFPK-ing on ch1 though. i've been doing dailies on ch1 always and at times i find myself being killed by an AFPK-ing blacksmith on turtle island. do it on a different channel at least.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 02:38 PM

Shady kill anyone when they want a good spot. 


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