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[ricfan]

I'm currently a lvl93 alchemist and plan on doing an MvP AD based genetic, but I still have some doubts.

 

For stats build I plan on following DrAzzy's HBP build:

 

Str: 105

Int: 90

Vit: 96

Dex: 90

Luk:54

 

But I wonder if I will ever have enough zeny for a HBP since they cost 200m+, based on the usual money you get at end game, is it viable to plan around having this item? Or should I just forget about it? I'm not really planning around equips since I don't have the money for anything right now, but HBP seems too good to miss.

 

As for skills, it's where I have the most doubts. I know I want AD, Cart cannon and Fire expansion and I tried to make a build around it:

 

http://irowiki.org/~...H2qsrakBl3eakwY

 

But even then I still have 12 points left and probably wasted a lot of points, can I have some pointers on the usual skill builds and useful skills so I can build from there?

 

Thanks in advance.

[DataDrain]

You still got 22 unused job points actually, the calculator you use is before the base/job lvl 175/60 extension

You can re-simulate using the recently updated skill simulator here

 

This is my suggestion based on your skill build that I noticed on your simulation :

> Max your Full Chemical Protection.

> Take Homunculus Call

> Take Vaporize

> Homunculus Resurrection can be maxed out or take according to your needs (personally I maxed it on my genetic)

> Max your Aid Condensed Potions if you're planning to use pair of sapphire wrist as default accessory

> Max your Axe Mastery & Sword Mastery If you're planning to default one-handed swords like Red Twin Edge for leveling all the way to 175

> Max Prepare Potions, Potions Research, Special Pharmacy, Mixed Cooking If you're planning to make hybrid battle brewer genetics earlier / pure brewer genetics later on at max lvl

 

HBP is all around popular garment to have for most classes not only genetics.

As genetics most of the time you can get 3 bonus from its focused main status STR/INT/DEX and extending to STR/INT/VIT/DEX at higher levels. It also enable blacksmith exclusive greed skill to be used for fast looting dropped items when mobbing monsters in dungeon and instance, but if you aim for genetics optimized damage build they tend to wear FAW for maxed out ranged damage boost modifier to your main skill (Boosting Acid Demonstration & Cart Cannon) compared to uncarded HBP which stops at 10% despite there's another flat atk & matk bonus boosts while uncarded FAW can reach up to 26% boost when you have 120 dex

 

Edited by DataDrain, 05 July 2017 - 09:03 PM.

[ricfan]

That acessory seems real good to pass up too, but I'm already fearful of not being able to pay up for even a heroic backpack, nevermind the wings, even more so now that I also have those wrists to aim for.

How far into endgame I would need to be to get enough payout to even think about getting this stuff? For reference, right now I probably made around 6~7m tops without counting how much I used up, not even close to 200m+ for HBP or 400m+ for wrists/wings.  

 

And are sword and axe mastery really useful? I tought a flat 30/50+ damage was pretty underwhelming compared to all the other stuff I could put those points on but to tell the truth I don't know how many of these skills are actually useful out of paper (specially those plant skills, I just put 1 into Crazy Vines because it seems like a good utility on paper for example). Also, thanks for the updated link and for the feedback in general, here's my second try at it:

 

http://irowiki.org/~...qsrakBl1odSakwY

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention, those craft skills and cultivate plant I put point on were just me trying to save up money with leftover points, if they're out of place there just say so, as my main focus would be MvPing, I haven't really calculated how well those stats would work for crafting.

Edited by ricfan, 05 July 2017 - 10:11 PM.

[DataDrain]

Here, use Dr.Azzy genetic calculator to simulate your dream gears and which weapon suits your budget better.

 

If you can afford +15 crimson mace then use that instead of RTE or if you're fans of dual wielding axeman you can try hurricane fury in exchange of reduced protection from not wearing shields

[mikkotinamide]

Not sure if I have missed out something in the calc but there's little difference between a +9 2 AS erde EA 10 and a +15 2AS crimson mace; and it's half the price.

[DataDrain]

Include your full gears, the gap gets widened with more modifier included and never ever card +15 weapon with mediocre AS card unless you're rich enough to afford another copy.

 

Racial/Elemental/Special physical boosting cards yield significant more damage for CC and little difference for AD due to its half damage formula comes from Matk portion while it can be swapped and remain useful for other class outside genetics, e.g Sura, Battle AB, Physical RKs, etc

 

+15 Crimson Mace stats is Watk 80, Eatk 275 on lvl 170 char and above in case you put it wrong 

 

Budget Wise RTE far better than Erde EA 10 if you read my first post and still yield slight difference even when fighting large sized monsters

Edited by DataDrain, 06 July 2017 - 09:54 PM.

[mikkotinamide]

But Erde is better if you're using pyroclastic. Although, do people even use it for leveling?

 

BTW, Is it possible to build a GX-like leveling set-up that relies solely on leech for the hp and sp?

 

Since the topic is cost, and I'm already considering switching from GX to gene, I'm considering just getting blood sucker, +10 EDA, succu/incu, +4 mali set as the only source of leech. Would that be enough?

[DirgeCometfell]

I've seen replays with players wielding a +12AK Thana Hammer for endless, you can try a +9~13Mali Thana Hammer should give good DPS and leeching plus you can use pyroclastic with it and a shield(racial redux)

 

I copied a few suggested equips from a thread here I forgot which one but for a Gx-esque leveling

 

Ashuckle suggested:

+9 Rideword Hat[Kiel]

Black Frame Glasses[Kiel]

Blood Sucker

Brynhild

Mjolnir

+4 Round Buckler[Penomena]

+9 Heroic Backpack[Deviling]

+6 Temporal Dex Boots ea4 Bear's Power

Megingjard

Megingjard

 

+28 Physical Set

+27 Malicious Set

Fullmoon, atk% costumes

SP leech garment

 

constantly on +20 str/dex/int/luk, takoyaki, celermine, hp inc, VIP buffs

 

Succubus Pet

 

Instant cast through stats, very high damage, very tanky and leeches all damage received back easily, for being facetanking

 

and Folkvangr suggested:

 

 

30ish  HF / 38-40k AS / 45-50k AS with bp proc

 

 

succubus pet

sapphire wrist x2

tengu set

DR HBP

 

+7 cylinder

+9 str/bp/ea4

+9 mali set

+9 phys set

 

switch to 3HF if your hp low. just 2-3 shot can refill ur  hp.

switch to 3HF if you tanking a large group, HF with BP proc still produce decent damage

 

your current gear would suggest

+10 EDA 6% chance for 6% HP leeched

succubus 2% chance for 5% HP leeched

mali set 4% chance for 2% HP leeched

Blood sucker for 3% chance for 5% HP leeched

total of 15% chance of 18% of damage HP leeched.

 

i personally tried just using a tengu scroll + a +9 EDA and the leech was decent enough in low TI can't say the same for other areas

 

EDIT: found the thread: https://forums.warpp...on-cart-cannon/

refer to post#7 for Ashuckle's item build and post#19 for Folkvangr's

 

Edited by DirgeCometfell, 08 July 2017 - 06:44 AM.

[Doomsquare]

It's outdated. Cylinder now tops everything

[ricfan]

I've been researching some more now that I'm just a few %s from reborning and came up with this build:

 

http://irowiki.org/~...qsrarel1odRakwY

 

But I've got some questions. Seeing that I'm aiming mainly for MvPs and 0 PvP, am I missing much by not picking blood sucker, hell plant and mandragora howling? And by putting only lvl4 Crazy Vines? I wanted to get them up to 8 for the increased number of plants but didn't know what else to take out in its place.

 

Does Sword Mastery actually help with AD/Cannon or is the damage boost negligible?

 

Does Bomb Creation 2 help with the creation change over 1? Or is it only number of bombs created at a time? I put lvl 2 because Banana bombs seem pretty expensive, so I thought I could try making some by myself.

 

And to end it for now, what would be a good level for FCP? I ended up putting 3, but most builds I found had it at 1, and kept thinking would 2 minutes really be enough? If yes, I'm thinking about putting those points + the one I had left and put in prepare potion on crazy vines.

 

EDIT: I know the thread isn't about it, but I think it's better to ask here than create a new one just for it, does Sera's painkiller only affect melee damage? Or does it also cover ranged/magic? I've seen conflicting reports when searching about it. When I started I was dead set on making a Dieter, but after seeing a few Seras in action I started to wonder if one wouldn't be better for me, so this question would help me a lot in deciding which one I should pick.

Edited by ricfan, 09 July 2017 - 06:30 AM.

[Doomsquare]

As for skills you really need to only max FCP, homun ress and acid bomb as biochemist.

 

As gene, All Cart cannon related skills, crazy vines lvl 1

 

Sera's PK affects all dmg, including magic/range. Sera's great for newer genes. Once they learn how to avoid dmg, dieter will be more preferable.

 

Banana Bomb is catered towards pvp/woe. Don't bother getting it for pvm

[DataDrain]

But Erde is better if you're using pyroclastic. Although, do people even use it for leveling?

 

BTW, Is it possible to build a GX-like leveling set-up that relies solely on leech for the hp and sp?

 

Since the topic is cost, and I'm already considering switching from GX to gene, I'm considering just getting blood sucker, +10 EDA, succu/incu, +4 mali set as the only source of leech. Would that be enough?

You can also pyroclast with one-handed sword under Alchemical Weapon/FCP effects, as long your character don't die under pyroclast effect the sword wont break

 

Add Thana Hammer carded with HF if the HP leech amount is not sufficient, in high level and high density strong monster areas you will need higher hp leech damage percentage than the proc percentage to survive unless you got enough damage reduction modifiers

[Ward20th]

I see it in youtube where a level 104 have 50K dmg/ spamming CC because of that cylinder+7.