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#1 xXxShinoxXx

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:16 AM

My hunter is going for the auto-blitz build. But I am wondering which card I should add to my bow. Is the soldier skeleton worth it, or is cruiser with the archer set card better? Or is there any other suggestion for the card?

I may not be just lvling at just brute maps though, that's why I'm in two minds about this. 

My bow is Hunter bow[1] btw. Maybe I can get a Gakkung[1] and add a cruiser for when I'm lvl at brute monster map


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:57 PM

4 lunatic in comp bow


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 01:05 PM

4 lunatic in comp bow

 

Either that for added autoblitz chance, or 4x status cards (magnolia, savage bebe, metaller) to ease one's life and be useful on WoE besides traps.


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 04:27 PM

My hunter is going for the auto-blitz build. But I am wondering which card I should add to my bow. Is the soldier skeleton worth it, or is cruiser with the archer set card better? Or is there any other suggestion for the card?
I may not be just lvling at just brute maps though, that's why I'm in two minds about this.
My bow is Hunter bow[1] btw. Maybe I can get a Gakkung[1] and add a cruiser for when I'm lvl at brute monster map

Do not go 4 carded comp bow, you lose alot of attack and blitz beat wont cut it. Get a magnolia card and slap it on a hunter bow, or better yet 2 on a gakkung. Cursing monster will remove his crit shield(0 luck debuff) meaning more crits and more importantly slow the monster down to a standstill and potentially stunlock it and you walking away with no injury.

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 06:42 PM

its will be crit hunter or falconer ? 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 05:36 AM

its will be crit hunter or falconer ? 

 

As an auto-blitzer you need luck and high ASPD, the crits come naturally (specially if the monster has 0 luck while cursed)


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 06:26 AM

I would stick with DPS boost cards. Your main source of DPS as a falconner isn't your falcon, but your auto attack.

 

Basically, you can boost your DPS as a auto falconer by raising your ASPD (so you are gonna hit more per second), normal damage (obvious reasons :D) or you CRIT DMG (Renewal's base critical damage is 140%, but you can stack multipliers, so eventually your critical can be very powerful, check GX DD critical build :P).

 

I don't know if trying to stack ASPD with your bow would help, so we have the last two options. Honestly, there are not enough CRIT gears right now to get a good CRIT modifier, but if you use a full hunter's set, a Cruiser Card would be good, coz you get 20% more critical damage and a huge increase of 40% long rage dmg.

 

If you choose to stack pure DMG, you can choose between a overall bow (so you are gonna stick with AS card) or a specific bow (so you are gonna stick with different racial cards).

 

Personally, i'm going to use two different bows, one Gakk with Cruiser + AS (when i don't need elemental reductions, so i can use the whole hunter's set) and another with 2 AS, coz i'm cheap.

 

The 10% increase in long range damage may in fact sound poor, but this bonus is somehow more reliable than the racial's one, but i didn't study that calculations deeply to tell you for sure.

 

OBS: If you plan to mvp, so i would recommend a Gakk with 2 AK, or  a Hunter's bow with 1 AK.

 

Btw, there is a guy who has good videos about that, i'm not sure if i can post it here (coz he plays on a PS), but here is a very interesting video: 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:14 PM

I would stick with DPS boost cards. Your main source of DPS as a falconner isn't your falcon, but your auto attack.

 

Basically, you can boost your DPS as a auto falconer by raising your ASPD (so you are gonna hit more per second), normal damage (obvious reasons :D) or you CRIT DMG (Renewal's base critical damage is 140%, but you can stack multipliers, so eventually your critical can be very powerful, check GX DD critical build :P).

 

I don't know if trying to stack ASPD with your bow would help, so we have the last two options. Honestly, there are not enough CRIT gears right now to get a good CRIT modifier, but if you use a full hunter's set, a Cruiser Card would be good, coz you get 20% more critical damage and a huge increase of 40% long rage dmg.

 

If you choose to stack pure DMG, you can choose between a overall bow (so you are gonna stick with AS card) or a specific bow (so you are gonna stick with different racial cards).

 

Personally, i'm going to use two different bows, one Gakk with Cruiser + AS (when i don't need elemental reductions, so i can use the whole hunter's set) and another with 2 AS, coz i'm cheap.

 

The 10% increase in long range damage may in fact sound poor, but this bonus is somehow more reliable than the racial's one, but i didn't study that calculations deeply to tell you for sure.

 

OBS: If you plan to mvp, so i would recommend a Gakk with 2 AK, or  a Hunter's bow with 1 AK.

 

Btw, there is a guy who has good videos about that, i'm not sure if i can post it here (coz he plays on a PS), but here is a very interesting video: 

Thank you, this is very helpful. However, I find it odd as to why you chose AS instead of raw damage cards like andre or zipper bear. Gakkung bow has 100 Atk, wouldnt 20% from 2 AS card gives only 20 Atk? I'm still learning Renewal, so this is really strange for me.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 04:08 PM

Thank you, this is very helpful. However, I find it odd as to why you chose AS instead of raw damage cards like andre or zipper bear. Gakkung bow has 100 Atk, wouldnt 20% from 2 AS card gives only 20 Atk? I'm still learning Renewal, so this is really strange for me.


Gakkung + silver arrow is 130 atk

so 156 atk if you go double AS card

Double andre is 170 attack

190 with double zipperbear.

All % modifiers for atk effect the right side only before adding to the left iirc
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Posted 27 July 2017 - 04:11 PM

Thank you, this is very helpful. However, I find it odd as to why you chose AS instead of raw damage cards like andre or zipper bear. Gakkung bow has 100 Atk, wouldnt 20% from 2 AS card gives only 20 Atk? I'm still learning Renewal, so this is really strange for me.


Gakkung + silver arrow is 130 atk

so 156 atk if you go double AS card

Double andre is 170 attack

190 with double zipperbear.

All % modifiers for atk effect the right side only before adding to the left iirc
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Posted 27 July 2017 - 04:14 PM

Gakkung + silver arrow is 130 atk

so 156 atk if you go double AS card

Double andre is 170 attack

190 with double zipperbear.

All % modifiers for atk effect the right side only before adding to the left iirc

Ranged damage mods also apply to status atk, so they're still pretty strong and might be better than Zipper if you have high DEX. 


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 04:26 PM

Ranged damage mods also apply to status atk, so they're still pretty strong and might be better than Zipper if you have high DEX.


Ok now im seriously confused. What % mods effect equip atk only and what effects both? The developers should really try to explain how these cards work.

A blitz hunter will need 300 total atk for AS to even out with zipperbear though. I dont think a blitzer build could easilly reach that, that is until they are lv 90 or something.
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Posted 27 July 2017 - 05:08 PM

crit dmg%, ranged dmg%, skill dmg% affect everything, the rest is pretty much exclusive to wATK adn eATK


Also, during damage calculation, status atk is doubled. So for example 100 status atk is an effective 200 atk


Edited by Ashuckel, 27 July 2017 - 05:13 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 08:20 PM

Thanks for clearing it up.

But seriously, the developers have to make this fact as clear as possible to new or returning players.
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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:32 AM

Thanks for clearing it up.

But seriously, the developers have to make this fact as clear as possible to new or returning players.

 

 

In fact, there are much details that many players are still trying to figure it out.

Munbalance refers to a weird % ATK (the one from Valk card, TG card and the medals from BG), that he can't figure out how it's calculated, but that's way less effective than any other.

 

But overall, i think it's better than a +10 lvl 1 weapon giving more dmd than a lvl 3 or lvl 4 weapon, like before Renewal...

 

About the zipper carded bow, i think it's a good bow when you are low lvl, but it becomes outshined when you reach some DEX 


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:49 AM

that pserver doesnt calculates damage like kRO/iRO does, their damage formula is kinda screwed up (went there and tested and compared the servers)
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Posted 28 July 2017 - 04:54 AM

that pserver doesnt calculates damage like kRO/iRO does, their damage formula is kinda screwed up (went there and tested and compared the servers)

 

Interesting, they claim to follow KRO as much as possible xD

 

So all % ATK gears here works the same way?


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:19 AM

Something you may want to consider is that your auto blitz procs (the number of hits) depends on your job level. So until job 41 your falcon isn't going to be doing a lot of damage, so it's probably a good idea to invest in a good bow for damage.


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 05:45 AM

Interesting, they claim to follow KRO as much as possible xD

So all % ATK gears here works the same way?


go to renewal forums> new player w/e> guides> Renewal Damage Calculation

there's a thread there that will probably cover any doubts on how damage is calculated.
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Posted 28 July 2017 - 02:46 PM

Thank you so much guys, especially Ashuckel and Allori who clear up a lot of things for me. Did not realize the AS card takes into account status Atk (left column) too. My 70 Dex should add quite a bit to that :D

I guess I'll try my luck with a Gakkung[2] with AS and Cruiser then :D The hunter set seems very powerful this early in the game.

 

Too bad I got greedy and broke my Hunter Bow [1] :( Not sure what to do with the SS card I got before server down now haha. 


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 07:57 AM

Hey guys, i'm sorry, but the long ranged damage increase is only 20%, not 40% :(


Edited by Allori, 29 July 2017 - 08:05 AM.

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