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Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:24 AM

to slot Alligator Card

 

is rosary[1] the best or normal for hybrid blitz built?

any other alternative accessory?


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 12:03 PM

Archer set is not worth it.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:17 PM

Archer set is not worth it.

 

It's not all bad though. If you're even remotely searching for a deal that's like 5m.

 

+6 AGI(1.5 aspd ish), +3 DEX(1.5% weapon damage), 5% ranged damage reduction, 10% hp/sp regen, 10 flee(or 16 with the agi bonus), 5% Double Strafe damage, and 20% range damage.

Plus an additional 20% if you get a Gakkung [2] with Archer Skel for a 30% range damage boost that applies to all enemy types in game. This will cost you roughly 2.6m if you search for a decent price. 7.5~8m total for all of that.

 

Or you could just buy a +7 Immune Muffler and for around 7m and that's almost the entirely of all of those put together. Sure you get more slots opened up for other cards but that also means tons of millions to fill in those slots.

As far as 8m goes, that offers the most overall stats for that price.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:36 PM

only 1 archer skel card*
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:40 PM

only 1 archer skel card*

 

Right, I forget Cruiser is in the weapon slot(I don't actually use the set so it took a few seconds to register that information lol). So 30%.

 

Still, worth it for roughly 8m imo.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:57 PM

It's the highest DPS setup no doubt. The problem with the set is that it is ALL OR NOTHING. It takes the entire set to beat out double kingbird. Double Kingbird Gakkung is around 3.5M.

 

2.5m for gakkung[2]

100k for cruiser

100k for anolian

250k for alligator

2.0m for merman

2.5m for dragon tail

0.6m for muffler[1]

0.7m for shoes[1]

belts are too heavy for Hunter imo, but is an option. Clip is ideal pre-90 which is 1.5m

 

8.75M w/o clip

10.25M w/ clip

 

If you do not have all of this, a +7 double kingbird bow will give better damage, which can be obtained for about 6.0-6.5M.

 

 

Double Kingbird leaves open slot on boots and chest for Matyr card and Pasana/Bathory or whatever and allows greater flexibility over where you can effectively level. Not to mention open slot on garment and accessory which is also huge.

 

OF COURSE, if you do not need extra hp or defensive cards for where you are leveling, Archer set will give you a (slightly) higher damage output at the cost of flexibility and survivability.

 

 

 


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:04 PM

To answer your other question. Wear accessories that give you the most stat value. Brooch[1] is >= Rosary[1] depending on how you value the MDEF.

 

1 point of AGI gives more dps than 1 point of LUK and at high at around 90 it will cost more than 1 point of luck at 60-70~


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 02:57 PM

It's the highest DPS setup no doubt. The problem with the set is that it is ALL OR NOTHING. It takes the entire set to beat out double kingbird. Double Kingbird Gakkung is around 3.5M.

 

2.5m for gakkung[2]

100k for cruiser

100k for anolian

250k for alligator

2.0m for merman

2.5m for dragon tail

0.6m for muffler[1]

0.7m for shoes[1]

belts are too heavy for Hunter imo, but is an option. Clip is ideal pre-90 which is 1.5m

 

8.75M w/o clip

10.25M w/ clip

 

If you do not have all of this, a +7 double kingbird bow will give better damage, which can be obtained for about 6.0-6.5M.

 

 

Double Kingbird leaves open slot on boots and chest for Matyr card and Pasana/Bathory or whatever and allows greater flexibility over where you can effectively level. Not to mention open slot on garment and accessory which is also huge.

 

OF COURSE, if you do not need extra hp or defensive cards for where you are leveling, Archer set will give you a (slightly) higher damage output at the cost of flexibility and

survivability.

 

The price you list isn't reasonable though for someone who's willing to take the day off and buy all the equipment required. You can get everything for roughly 80% value in a day since none of those are high in demand at full price.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:24 PM

The price you list isn't reasonable though for someone who's willing to take the day off and buy all the equipment required. You can get everything for roughly 80% value in a day since none of those are high in demand at full price.

 

Those are current prices on Ragial and are consistent with what I have been seeing over the past week.

 

Archer set is pretty easy to sell right now actually...


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 04:10 PM

just to get this right, agi will be more valuable than luk if investment into it will make you go up in aspd. If investing like 3~4 points into agi through gear does not give you that extra aspd, then it is a wasted stat(unless you somehow value that 4 flee)


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 04:21 PM

just to get this right, agi will be more valuable than luk if investment into it will make you go up in aspd. If investing like 3~4 points into agi through gear does not give you that extra aspd, then it is a wasted stat(unless you somehow value that 4 flee)

 

I'm pretty sure from everything else that I have read regarding agi, that attack speed has decimal precision, but is simply truncated for display purposes...but I could be wrong, I mean I have never seen an official response on this and there is nothing on the wiki stating otherwise.

 

I'm also pretty sure that I can notice a difference when swapping between Pantie+Undershirt and my Evil Mantle even though my displayed aspd does not change.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 04:56 PM

it has the decimal numbers, but these do not affect your actual delay after attack. Your character aspd is dictated by the number shown in the stat window, while the decimal numbers do still exist solely for aspd calculation purposes.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:01 PM

it has the decimal numbers, but these do not affect your actual delay after attack. Your character aspd is dictated by the number shown in the stat window, while the decimal numbers do still exist solely for aspd calculation purposes.

 

Proofs?

 

Like I said...I can notice a difference between 180aspd with Evil mantle on and 180aspd with pantie+undershirt on. Same displayed aspd, noticeably slower aspd.

 

ASPD Penalty = [ 1 − { Job Base ASPD − 144 } ÷ 50 ]

Note: Limit down to a maximum of 0.96. Keep 2 decimals.


ASPD Correction = [ { √( 205 ) − √( AGI ) } ÷ 7.15 ]

Note: Round up to 3 decimals.


Equip ASPD % = [ { 195 − Base ASPD } × Total of Equip ASPD Mod ]

Note: Round down to 1 decimal.


Base ASPD = [ 200 − { 200 − ( Job Base ASPD + Shield Penalty − ASPD Correction + √[ AGI × 9.999 + DEX × 0.19212 ] × Aspd Penalty ) } × { 1 − Potion ASPD Mod − Skill ASPD Mod } ]

Note: Round down to 2 decimal.


Final ASPD = [ Base ASPD + { Equip ASPD % } + Equip ASPD Fixed ]

 

 

Everything is rounded to decimal values...not integer. 

 

Hits/sec. =

  • [ 50 ÷ ( 200 − Final ASPD ) ]
  • [ 50 ÷ Delay ]
  • [ 1 ÷ Time Between Attacks ]

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:09 PM

and i can notice it does not change if the number shown does not change as well?

You are providing a super solid and insightfull proof :v

 


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:24 PM

and i can notice it does not change if the number shown does not change as well?

You are providing a super solid and insightfull proof :v

 

 

Dunno...i literally copy pasted the formula from the wiki. Neither you nor I can prove our claim. I have never seen an official post on the matter.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 05:27 PM

and wiki info is made by players, and just because stuff is calculated in X or Y way, doesnt mean the game uses the exact calculated numbers, for example atk/matk calculations, where a bunch of stuff is floored all the time. ( In fact, RO loves to floor every fking thing lol)


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:45 PM

Those are current prices on Ragial and are consistent with what I have been seeing over the past week.

 

Archer set is pretty easy to sell right now actually...

 

It's the ragial average, not the actively search for the item you want at the right price average. I don't think I've ever bought anything in vend for average price ever since RE:START started. Probably saved 11m by now doing that. I've been here for almost a month now.

 

If the OP isn't willing to spend a day or so doing that though, then yes the price will be around what you listed.


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:25 PM

i am definitely going for archer set. i had all the cards already.

i do mainly PVE (exclude MVP) and 1 hr of WoE. 

i am LAZY to switch cards to fight effectively against monster type - thus prefer 1 size card that fit all monsters.

 

beside  Brooch[1] and Rosary[1], are there others? ignore dex glove[1] because i hybrid blitz.

i don't understand why you mentioned " Brooch[1] is >= Rosary[1]"

doesn't Rosary give most stats +3MDEF.... i don't care of stats precision e.g. 10 Str give bonus damage
 


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:51 PM

i am definitely going for archer set. i had all the cards already.

i do mainly PVE (exclude MVP) and 1 hr of WoE. 

i am LAZY to switch cards to fight effectively against monster type - thus prefer 1 size card that fit all monsters.

 

beside  Brooch[1] and Rosary[1], are there others? ignore dex glove[1] because i hybrid blitz.

i don't understand why you mentioned " Brooch[1] is >= Rosary[1]"

doesn't Rosary give most stats +3MDEF.... i don't care of stats precision e.g. 10 Str give bonus damage
 

 

My guess is that as a Hunter who's already going all in for damage would go in for all damage regarding accessory as well. More ASPD also means more falcon blitz. Just checked up the price comparison between the two, Rosary [1] is roughly 3.5x more expensive than the Brooch [1]. Personally you can choose either but I would use Rosary [1] on classes that focuses on tanking to some degree. Brooch [1] will fill in the hybrid very well as it helps auto blitz, flee, and aspd. Very little help on each but arguably the same can be said about the Rosary [1] that's 3.5x more in cost.


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