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#1 Jbneto

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:17 AM

Ocult impact w/ 3,2k damage on 80 str and +7 stunner + racial and size cards on stalactic golem... feels bad, missing the pre renew monk >.<


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#2 ultrahiangle12

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:40 AM

asura strike :thinking:


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#3 Bazzz

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:40 AM

damage increased by defense effects like OI and ice pick are nerfed in renewal.  


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#4 iDeco

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:39 PM

Missing the pre renew system at all for the 2-1 and 2-2.


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#5 Ashuckel

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:25 PM

Occult Impactation ( and ice pick, and thanatos, and any similar effect) give you +1 atk for every 2 hard def the enemy has, and will also completely bypasa their def.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:45 PM

Yep, "wasted" a stunner trying to one-shot or at least 2 shot turtles as well. Might as well go for combo monk.

 

On the note, Is this server working on irowiki's stated mechanics? On the wiki it says Occult Impact deals 950% ATK at lvl 5, while here we have a 450% modifier. 

 


Edited by ayylimao, 21 September 2017 - 10:48 PM.

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#7 Pixelakaroxi

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:27 PM

No.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:36 AM

First occult i thought hold up somethings not right here lol.


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#9 Navy

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 01:31 AM

I always though a +10 chain with 2x 1x or even a +10 mace with 3x 1x was much better then a stunner, renewal or not. I did stal golem forever back in the days and you need 110 str to 2 shot them.


Edited by Navy, 22 September 2017 - 01:32 AM.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 04:09 AM

Lol your leveling a Spirit monk by OI?, just go Gfist anubis fastest exp atm outside a full party leech. And if the pot usage is to $$$ for you then hate to say it Spirit/Asura monk isnt a class for you.


Edited by Valac, 22 September 2017 - 04:10 AM.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:29 PM

Troll/Derail postings have been removed. Kindly stay on topic, thank you.


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:44 PM

Ocult impact w/ 3,2k damage on 80 str and +7 stunner + racial and size cards on stalactic golem... feels bad, missing the pre renew monk >.<

 

Not only this skill, all the damage is nerf for classes 2-1 and 2-2 with this "mixed" system of pre renew and renew.

 

Missing the pre renew system at all for the 2-1 and 2-2.

 

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#13 Navy

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:11 AM

 I did a bunch of test and here is the full damage calculation for occult impact

 

Damage = [ATK + (Target_Hard_DEF ÷ 2)] × Base_Damage × % Elemental  /  % Def reduction 

 

So as a practical example @ 110 Str with a + 7 3x clamorous chain on Seal with level 5 OI

 

((131 + (105 * 1.6) + (43 / 2)) * 9.5 * 1) / 1.0844

 

You should do around 2800 +/-

 

2 things really kill OI in renewal, 1. is % card in weapon (but everyone is affected by this) 2. The fact that Occult doesn't bypass defense anymore.

 

Same calculation for Goat which has more def

 

((131 + (105 * 1.6) + (90 / 2)) * 9.5 * 1) / 1.1727

 

2800 +/-

 

So you end up doing the same on higher def which literally defeats the purpose of the skill.

 

Strangely, elemental helps now, however occult is still neutral. I haven't tried on a whisper or GR, but i think elemental dmg is treated outside the regular dmg. So if you were to hit a whisper, you would only deal the elemental part of the calculation, not the rest.

 

 


Edited by Navy, 13 October 2017 - 02:16 AM.

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#14 Ashuckel

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:28 AM

Occult Impaction does bypasses def on renewal.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:05 AM

Occult Impaction does bypasses def on renewal.

 

 

Are you saying it's a bug on restart? I haven't logged on renewal in forever, maybe i could go test same thing there.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 08:07 AM

i used the skill to test the Thanatos effect when making the renewal damage calc. It bypasses both hard and soft def

If you wanna bother helping me with the accurate testing i could confirm it for restart, i dont have a character there.

Edited by Ashuckel, 13 October 2017 - 08:08 AM.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:11 PM

i used the skill to test the Thanatos effect when making the renewal damage calc. It bypasses both hard and soft def

If you wanna bother helping me with the accurate testing i could confirm it for restart, i dont have a character there.

 

Sure, I'll start a spreadsheet tomorrow, anything specific you would like for data?


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:15 PM

just a screenshot using the skill on any monster, showing the damage. Also you must be completely naked, with stats open. (lv of the skill used too)


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:21 PM

Also you must be completely naked

( ° ͜ ʖ °) Can I get a copy of the... uuuuh... "test" too? ( ° ͜ ʖ °) 


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#20 Navy

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:37 PM

Oh if that's all you want, then here you go

 

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:32 PM

*roughly*
((((status atk*2)+wATK+eATK+BuffAtk+PseudoBuffAtk+MasteryATK )*SkillMultiplier)*Target Hard Def Reduction) - Soft Def

((((132*2)+0+0+0+21+0)*4,75)*1) -0

132*2=264+21 = 285*4.75 = 1353.75 -0 = 1353.75 , wich is floored to 1353.

It is bypassing def completely.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 03:15 AM

Ah, i was calculating my atk wrong, that's why i though the skill were poorly listed with 950 instead of 475. Makes more sense now.

 

Thanks for the clarification!


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