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#1 apochi

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:01 AM

hi since i have decided to go for a bow rogue i would like to know how convenient it is to get plagiarism lv 10 and copy bowling bash for leveling

 

also i would like to know what do you think about bow backstabs? would it work well?

 

and finally, would you recommend getting double strafe 10 rather than plag 10 ? (if you get plag 10 you can only get DS at 5 max and vice-versa) with this in mind i was also considering not getting vulture's eye to lv 10 but to like 4-5 since i think 10 range is not needed at all

 

would like to know what you guys think


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:25 AM

While you can certainly do BB, I would rely more on DS than BB. As a Rogue without Preserve (Stalker skill) you will get overwritten an immensely annoying amount.

 

You may have better luck snagging like a Land Mine and doing anolians, that way you can keep your distance and decrease your chances on losing the skill. You only need Plague 5 for this because traps max at lvl 5. For any amount of DS you will need 10 Vulture's Eye.

 

+7 2 slotted Gakkungs will be your go to.

 

Snake Hat for Double Attack will offer some auto-click-ability to preserve pots if constant DS is a concern.

 

Back in the day on a PreRe LR PServ before they nerfed Claymore I plagued that and mobbed all of Nameless 2 on an Alt into a corner, hide stacked the slaughterers and racked in the XP with +XP Shoes... Nowadays Claymore is poop in comparison :( But it was hands down the most fun leveling a 2nd Class watching the numbers fly and getting 10%+ per mob at level 98.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:26 AM

DS Lv 5 is not worth it damage wise, besides you can always get DS via Intimidate, so I would totally ignore putting any skill points into DS and just copy it via Intimidate.

(also DS will always use max range, it is not affected by Vulture's Eye, so you can have Vult Lv 0 but still max range with DS)

 

You can also "skip" Vulture's Eye to get 3 maxed lv 5 divest skills (helm, shield, armour) in case you also want to WoE with your Rogue.

 

If you do not skip Vulture's Eye, you will be left with 5 free skill points (lv 10 Intimidate and Vulture's Eye) to put wherever you like.

(i.e. Stalk Lv 5, Envenom Lv 10)

 

As for a BB Bow, a high upgraded (maybe try a +7 one) Gakkung [2] with proper cards is the strongest currently available to Rogues, I guess 2x Andre Cards would be good for the ATK and extra BB damage.

I don't think Skel Archer Cards would affect BB damage, though I'm not sure.

 

Backstab is a rather difficult skill to use, you'd be better off spamming Sightless Mind for PvM.

(spam Hiding and Sightless Mind hotkey at the same time so it will never get cancelled when you get hit)

 

 

So ya:
Intimidate Lv 10 (copy Double Strafe)

Vulture's Eye Lv 10

5 free skill points

 

Or:
Intimidate Lv 10

15 free skill points (3 maxed divest skills)

 

 

 

You will not be using Double Strafe to level during your early levels you will just ctrl click, you pretty much have to straight away go for Intimidate Lv 10 to be able to continue leveling past lv +75.

Gaining second class job levels gets super slow starting from job 26 on, so rushing Intimidate to get the skills to level with is a must.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:00 AM

and finally, would you recommend getting double strafe 10 rather than plag 10 ? (if you get plag 10 you can only get DS at 5 max and vice-versa) with this in mind i was also considering not getting vulture's eye to lv 10 but to like 4-5 since i think 10 range is not needed at all

would like to know what you guys think


Solid advice from the first 2.

I haven't played classic or restart so Im not sure what's going on there. Your skill build should depend on what you want to do with your character, IMO if you are going WoE I dont think Intimidate will be of much use.

Using bow for backstab is not ideal because its damage is HALVED so if you want to get the most out of it you should invest in STR and Swords. I still see potential in this skill if used correctly in PvP environment.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:58 AM

While you can certainly do BB, I would rely more on DS than BB. As a Rogue without Preserve (Stalker skill) you will get overwritten an immensely annoying amount.

 

You may have better luck snagging like a Land Mine and doing anolians, that way you can keep your distance and decrease your chances on losing the skill. You only need Plague 5 for this because traps max at lvl 5. For any amount of DS you will need 10 Vulture's Eye.

 

 

Back in the day on a PreRe LR PServ before they nerfed Claymore I plagued that and mobbed all of Nameless 2 on an Alt into a corner, hide stacked the slaughterers and racked in the XP with +XP Shoes... Nowadays Claymore is poop in comparison :( But it was hands down the most fun leveling a 2nd Class watching the numbers fly and getting 10%+ per mob at level 98.

 

how does that land mine thing works in here? can you stack mobs? whats the formula? as you can see i'm not very experimented on renewal mechanics... also how does claymore works too?

 

 

 

 

Backstab is a rather difficult skill to use, you'd be better off spamming Sightless Mind for PvM.

(spam Hiding and Sightless Mind hotkey at the same time so it will never get cancelled when you get hit)

 

 

 

sounds very interesting... how can i do that?

 

Solid advice from the first 2.

I haven't played classic or restart so Im not sure what's going on there. Your skill build should depend on what you want to do with your character, IMO if you are going WoE I dont think Intimidate will be of much use.

Using bow for backstab is not ideal because its damage is HALVED so if you want to get the most out of it you should invest in STR and Swords. I still see potential in this skill if used correctly in PvP environment.

 

yeah i have heard that half damage thing too but i'm just not sure about if it was real or not... i think i also heard about something similar about half damage when using BB.

and no, i'm not really into woe with this char so i'm probably going for plagiarism 10

 

edit: thank you so much for your helpful responses, right now i think i will be aiming for some stats like these: 

 

http://calc.irowiki....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

getting 184 aspd with berserk, decent dex and some int for SP (and mines????) will read your comments on this.

 

and for skills i have decided not to take vulture + DS since it is a lot of points and that getting DS with plagiarism is a much better option, said so, my skill tree would look a bit like this:

 

http://irowiki.org/~...Jkoel1NqnbnabsX


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:08 AM

Land Mine/Claymore Trap/Blast Mine damage is dependant on DEX and INT, while INT should be a divider of 35, so getting total 70 INT (66 Base + 4 Job Bonus) would be best, though less will work too.

High DEX 80+ and you are set to level with them from lv 83 on.

 

 

 

And Hiding and Sightless Mind, I have them on 5 and Q so all I do when I mob monsters is 5qq5q5q55q5q5q5q5q5 while also spamming healing items, just keep pressing both at the same time over and over.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:08 AM

Get rid of Haggle and make a merchant and get more Divest.

 

Land Mine you just need to get hit by one (go to pvp) and you'll get the skill. Grab some traps and have at it. You'll want INT if you opt for trapping. This will also give you some extra DS cushion. Probably get minimum 50 int 80 dex but I'm no stat expert and also do not know renewal (there's no absolutely certain calc out there that I know of anyway). 21+ LUK seems to be a solid requirement in almost any build due to it's versatility and make your VIT decision based on if you decide to WoE, otherwise i'd get at least like 20 VIT 20 AGI for the extra ASPD, Flee and HP.

 

Something around the lines of:

 

http://calc.irowiki....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

But that's a 5 second build, someone can probably offer better.

 

 

Edit: Oh and stacking and trapping is useless nowadays, it was nerfed. But you hide from enemies, walk away, unhide, rehide, walk away, unhide, rehide and eventually you have 20+ enemies on a single cell.

 

Edit 2: ^ That is how you could still level a Grimtooth Assassin, however.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:44 AM

And Hiding and Sightless Mind, I have them on 5 and Q so all I do when I mob monsters is 5qq5q5q55q5q5q5q5q5 while also spamming healing items, just keep pressing both at the same time over and over.


Couldn't agree more. This is literally how SM should be used.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:49 AM

Land Mine/Claymore Trap/Blast Mine damage is dependant on DEX and INT, while INT should be a divider of 35, so getting total 70 INT (66 Base + 4 Job Bonus) would be best, though less will work too.

High DEX 80+ and you are set to level with them from lv 83 on.

 

 

 

And Hiding and Sightless Mind, I have them on 5 and Q so all I do when I mob monsters is 5qq5q5q55q5q5q5q5q5 while also spamming healing items, just keep pressing both at the same time over and over.

 

thanks for the traps info but how am i supposed to level with traps? like literally make mobs follow me and place them while walking?

 

got the SM thing too, thanks

 

Get rid of Haggle and make a merchant and get more Divest.

 

Land Mine you just need to get hit by one (go to pvp) and you'll get the skill. Grab some traps and have at it. You'll want INT if you opt for trapping. This will also give you some extra DS cushion. Probably get minimum 50 int 80 dex but I'm no stat expert and also do not know renewal (there's no absolutely certain calc out there that I know of anyway). 21+ LUK seems to be a solid requirement in almost any build due to it's versatility and make your VIT decision based on if you decide to WoE, otherwise i'd get at least like 20 VIT 20 AGI for the extra ASPD, Flee and HP.

 

Something around the lines of:

 

http://calc.irowiki....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

But that's a 5 second build, someone can probably offer better.

 

 

Edit: Oh and stacking and trapping is useless nowadays, it was nerfed. But you hide from enemies, walk away, unhide, rehide, walk away, unhide, rehide and eventually you have 20+ enemies on a single cell.

 

Edit 2: ^ That is how you could still level a Grimtooth Assassin, however.

 

i'm not really interested into woe, that's why i'm not getting divest

 

the mines thing sounds interesting also i guess when i get DS i will need a bigger SP pool/recovery, with that in mind i got this new build:

 

http://calc.irowiki....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

looks more balanced, got 180 aspd with berserk and the 21 luk you mentioned, but i don't really know why, could you explain a bit more?


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:52 PM

^ Yup, at the Anubis map for example, once you see an Anubis lay down the trap and back off while it runs towards you. (They sometimes use Jupitel Thunder though, that will override Claymore :I )


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:34 PM

 

 

looks more balanced, got 180 aspd with berserk and the 21 luk you mentioned, but i don't really know why, could you explain a bit more?

Check out this link and scroll down to view how LUK stat affects your character. Every 3 points of LUK adds a bit of ATK/MATK, this is for when your other STATS are in higher amounts making it expensive to add points to(For example adding DEX costs 11 points while LUK only requires 4 points) so it'd be more ideal to invest in LUK to increase ATK/MATK a bit.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:41 PM

I would do a blastmine rogue build.

 

Here is an example of someone doing it on a rogue :)

 


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:50 PM

Yeah Blast Mine is good and if I remember correctly, you can hit it via normal attack using bows so it can be pushed further away.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:54 PM

I would do a blastmine rogue build.

 

Here is an example of someone doing it on a rogue :)

 

 

omg that dmg is just insane really can't believe its real


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 04:42 AM

Just an additional note:

When going for DEX / INT / VIT for trap leveling and WoE, getting Intimidate level 5 is enough to get the max level traps, which allows you to get all divest skills maxed out.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:32 PM

Hey,

 

you guys woke my interest to create a rogue, i'm currently at 80 dex and using a +9 Gakkung Bow [2].

Should i even consider to us 2x Zipper Card for it? 

I have tons of blue potions so sp would not be one of my problems.

 

I'd like to aim to annoy people in WoE with stripping, do i should go the int route then or simply focus on dex, vit and something else?


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:46 PM

Hey,

 

you guys woke my interest to create a rogue, i'm currently at 80 dex and using a +9 Gakkung Bow [2].

Should i even consider to us 2x Zipper Card for it? 

I have tons of blue potions so sp would not be one of my problems.

 

I'd like to aim to annoy people in WoE with stripping, do i should go the int route then or simply focus on dex, vit and something else?

 

 

If Archer Skeleton cards exists in your server then that would be a better choice IMO.

 

As for WoE,  it's better if you max out DEX for highest divest chance. If you plan to use traps then you should invest more on INT but if you plan on using double strafe or other skills that works great with high aspd, then invest in AGI. 

 

To summarize:

 

Dex>Agi>Vit for Physical Skills

 

Dex>Int>Vit for Traps


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:50 PM

does the auto-steal skill gank works on bows too?


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:54 PM

does the auto-steal skill gank works on bows too?

 

Nope, only melee weapons.


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:30 AM

So using this skill build 

 

http://irowiki.org/~...XCKoehN1cAbn1cK

 

I still have 5 points left I don't know where to assign, not gank since I will only use bows, so..?


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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:36 AM

So using this skill build 

 

http://irowiki.org/~...XCKoehN1cAbn1cK

 

I still have 5 points left I don't know where to assign, not gank since I will only use bows, so..?

 

Umm, as Rogue you should ALWAYS take Hiding 10 and Envenom 8, because Stalk uses Hiding duration.

 

Here are 2 possible skill builds for using bows/traps:

 

http://irowiki.org/~...VJkoehN1cAbn1cK

(last 5 points wherever, i.e. Stalk 5, Envenom 10)

 

http://irowiki.org/~...JkoehNrFqnbn1bx

(when you plan to WoE, level 5 Intimidate is more than enough to level with traps, Blast Mine at Anolians 2 hitting while mobbing 10 at the same time)


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 08:13 PM

So I tried the Blast Mine thing myself:

 

 

It gets me roughly 7m to 8m exp/h, however I require constant Priest buffs along with the +10 to all stats buff from the Silvervine Exchanger for 100k zeny in order to 2-hit Anolians with Blast Mine, otherwise they will require 3 mines which will have quiet an impact on the exp/h.

Not to mention that my stat build is totally f'd up.

 

Still, it's an acceptable pace to level at when solo as long as you are less clumsy than I am and have a lower ping.

As Rogue you will rarely be welcomed into parties, so this is the way to go :sob:


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