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[Feuer]

 

Been recording video evidence to try and get Frost Mages a unique PvM Taunt, as they're PERFECT for a secondary style tank! But enjoy the video guys~ 

[charzlight]

Nice (:

[Snuwfer]

I'd like you to show an example of how Wind Mastery can give a mage more dodge than a bow scout sometime.

[watermelonnn]

didnt know mages had 6k+dodge, interesting 

[Snuwfer]

didnt know mages had 6k+dodge, interesting 

 

Well, considering my scout is only 5.6K dodge with end game gear. I'd say so.

 

Scouts get a 25% passive of dodge rate.

Mages gets a 25% passive of dodge rate.

 

 

 

They're actually, able to have equal dodge rate after given stat buffs (wars)

Meanwhile, the mage gets to retain a hefty mana shield, tons of CC, more accuracy by a far far amount, and much more.

 

 

In a self buff fight, the scout could have an upperhand by its self buff of dodge rate up.

 

But, when it's a mage in glorious, the scout being in glorious as well, the dodge rates are equal.

When Luminous is on the scout, and same for the mage, dodge rates are equal when Wind Mastery is at max stacks.

 

Not balanced.

[Phish]

Hawker armor has more base dodge than muse armor. Plus no mage is going to have as much dex as a scout.

Edited by Phish, 13 February 2018 - 07:40 PM.

[watermelonnn]

Hawked armor has more base dodge than muse armor. Plus no mage is going to have as much dex as a scout.

 

 

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[Feuer]

... there's so much wrong in this thread good grief.

 

1: Mages have more Dodge Passives, Wind Mastery is 25% PER stack [Maximum of 3 stacks]. IE, 75% at full stacks.

2: If you're a tank-heavy build, you do add quite a large volume of DEX, as Wind Mastery Only amps your base Dodge [DEX + Equipment Dodge total]. atm my DEX mage is on 235, but I used to have it as high as 300 on certain builds.

3: Mages having more dodge isn't necessarily imbalanced when you account for the fact that Scouts have Camo, and Higher Physical Defense.

 

Lastly, this is a PvM build. You'd never use it in PvP unless you were just going for the dailys or something, there is only 1 mute on a PvP morph and atm my build is on 0 Accuracy passives to open up fire mastery + 5 DoT's thanks to a PvM Morph I took.

 

In PvP, scouts aren't body tanking as much as a Mage either, the Scout only needs enough to get in, go for an execute on a weaker or wounded target, and get out with camo + movespeed. If a Wind Mage at max stacks hunts

you down because they were in combat long enough, then tough luck, it's no different than being a Dealer and getting camo kited by Raiders 24/7 thanks to the double invis and Dealers having jack-all defenses / decloaks. 

 

Again, this is a PvM build, can a Mage get higher Dodge than a Scout not accounting for gear CHOICE or any other global modifiers [Runes, buffs etc, anything that everyone has access to] Yes, but their DPS is going to suffer greatly for it. It takes me roughly 7-8 minutes to kill Ulverick right now. a Full DPS Mage with someone else tanking will do it in half the time. You sacrifice damage for tank in nearly every case. 

 

That being said, Mages* are still some OP BS in PvP. RIP

 

Edit: corrected spelling errors... Need mo coffee

Edited by Feuer, 14 February 2018 - 02:58 AM.

[charzlight]

I want a tanker with self buffs only (:

[Feuer]

Well, if you feel like dropping more damage, you can just drop the SEN down and add CHA to increase the Accu + Aspd downs more. and then ditch the dodge pots, but in all honesty, dodge pots are not hard to get. 

 

Btw, you don't need stat buffs to tank Talratha like that on a Mage, I just took them for Damage and because it made cleaning up to Talratha easier. Should easily still be possible with runes and passives. 

Edited by Feuer, 14 February 2018 - 04:41 AM.

[charzlight]

I also made a mage of def/dodge substats with +10 exalted and luna acc, without cleric buffs and arua blessing, i can manage to kill Fearsome tessarus but it takes me too long, maybe 20-25 mins , hehe, and my finger was stressed hehe (:

And also without clan passives since i have no clan hehe (:

Edited by charzlight, 14 February 2018 - 08:44 PM.

[Feuer]

.... gonna say this again just to make sure everyone understands it. I don't add to Defense... not in subs, not in anything aside from 1 rune which was just coincidence, I took it for the skill power / aoe radius. The trick to tanking on a mage has nothing to do with defense. =.=

[charzlight]

Defence is important, it reduces the damage u receive at the same time it reduces the damage u get when u have mana shield. For example
2900 = 41% damage reduction
3900 = 50% damage reduction

The Fearsome tessa has a damage of 10k
When i cast mana shield with
@2900 def i will receive 10k(1 - 0.41) = 5.9k
@3900 def: 10k (1 - 0.5) = 5k
This mean my mana shield will not broke up easily. Hehe

My mage is looks like an angel walking at junon hehe (:

[Feuer]

Hm, sounds like you've got a good build, care to post some videos? I'd like to see. 

[charzlight]

I will make a video and post it when its done hehe (:

[Feuer]

Looking forward to it. Make sure it shows your gear and passives etc, so we can all compare. 

[carlosrose]

You only need to hit the 50-60% dmg reduction on mage to be gucci

Too much investment into defense (either pvp or pvm wont make any difference) + last time i checked (like months ago) the mana shield still had no dmg cap and could easily be blasted away so having high mp recov/mp consump is better than defense obvs

[Snuwfer]

Mana shield has a damage cap, however it doesn't have a hard code accomodating critical defense % into the damage cap, that's why you're getting hit higher on your mana shield than you are without it being active.

If there was no damage cap on mana shields, many classes would 1 or 2 shot mana shields in stat buffed wars.

[charzlight]

Uploading and i will make a new topic (:

[Feuer]

Well drop a link here, cause I don't see it. 

[charzlight]

already have a link (:, i dont know how to link with video like yours , i made another topic (: hehe

[Feuer]

Saw you Vid, you need to work on damage yis.

 

Also, why didn't you take the Accuracy down? That's a staple effect to tanking on a Mage. 

[charzlight]

Yes, I have SH + 0, no ups , no buffs, i need to to buy, +15, hmm, thats why i have not so much damage, i'll show only the survivabilty without buffs and pots which is very hard and i have no other passives like Valor, Honor and Im, only passive in job skill, hmm, i already run out of skill points, hehe but i can manage the damage, maybe i need to see if i can get the acc down in if i reset my skills, how to link video ? Like you do bcoz i can link only websites hehe

Edited by charzlight, 15 February 2018 - 09:07 PM.