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#1 Ralen

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 10:05 AM

Trying to maximize Magnus Exorcismus damage on my AB for instances and was wondering if I'm gearing the best way for 100% Mdef bypass. With the huge damage boost that Valkyrie Drops give I opted to not use Magician's Glove or Perverse Demon Mask and instead went with Survivor's Shoes combo with two Survivor's Rods for 50% bypass and then the card each S.Rod with Big Ben and Nightmare Mimic Cards to combo for the other 50%. Having trouble testing things like PDM as I'd have to reset my stats to get Str and I don't have a carded +15 Crimson Rod or other weapons to check for higher damage.

Has anyone tested or run the numbers to see if this Survivor Rod setup would be more damage than the other weapons that everyone talks about?


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#2 NekoCaptainNoob

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 12:08 AM

I didn't noticed before that AB can use Survivor rod  o_o

 

thx for sharing secret 

 

 

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 06:13 AM

  I don't know if it is worth losing 2x kiel cards and 250 def for those survivor's shoes. Specially when the cast delay is your worse enemy.


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:08 AM

I didn't noticed before that AB can use Survivor rod  o_o

 

thx for sharing secret 

 

 

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They could (not only ab, but the whole acolyte class tree), it was clearly hinted in the weapon descriptions as "staff developed through united efforts of prontera church and mage guild" :heh:

 

The only survivor combo parts that acolyte class couldn't equip are the cloak / manteau (garment), practically missing 50% fixed cast time cut and demi-human reductions from combo with orb, matk% & mhp% bonus from combo with flattery robe combo, another matk% bonus from combo with the staff and orbs, neutral resist reduction and flat mhp from the garment inherent effects, and another matk% bonus plus earth/wind damage reductions from combo with the shoes

 

another sad parts is you need the circlet equipped to boost the combo in exchange of unequipping shrine maiden hat or another headgears that have better potential for boosting your ME damage.
 


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 06:27 PM

bug or 'feature'?

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 07:53 PM

iRO typo item descriptions in both survivor's rods, while kRO and jRO survivor's rod description always mention that acolyte class could wear it beside magician and soul linker classes.

 

Even db.irowiki.org mention it's equippable by acolyte class in the checklist table, but have inconsistent item description :heh:


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 12:10 PM

  I don't know if it is worth losing 2x kiel cards and 250 def for those survivor's shoes. Specially when the cast delay is your worse enemy.

 

^ I agree with this.

 

Unless the survivors combo set is guaranteeed to allowing you to 1-2 shotting whatever mob you are murdering, there is no point to the the combo. anything that requires 3+ shots benefit more from your cast delay reduction. AB's have the easiest time kiting mobs and considering the 2 second immunity that ME gives to a mob in between damaging waves, you are better off being able to walk around kitting mobs and planting ME's everywhere in mere miliseconds as you walk with it in contrast to only be dealing a slightly higher damage but making pit stops every single time. We should aim to make the most economical of the time we have, ME'ing is no exception.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:59 AM

About Pilgrim's Shoes, I tried them with level 5 Praefatio but other than the nice Def I didn't see the point since without them if I time it right I can cast Lex Aeterna on each wave of ME anyway. Admittedly every second cast of ME when fighting a boss I have to skip the first Lex A to either High Heal or rebuff but losing 50% mdef piece for that didn't seem like a good trade so have left the Pilgrims in storage unless I'm supporting. Are these much better once Praefatio is level 10?

 

As for the Shrine Maiden's Hat vs Survivor's Circlet I normally wear SMH for the instant cast as the only enemies that aren't killed in 1-2 waves are bosses. But what surprised me is the bonus matk from the S.Circ is more damage with my current setup (+9 S.Circlet(uncarded), +7 Shoe and +13 Rods) than from my +9 SMH(weakened fenrir), so I use S.Circlet for killing Bijou/Stefan/Charleston3.

 

Typing this up made me realize my hat cards are bad :heh: so followup question. What card should go in a +9 SMH?


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 06:52 AM

About Pilgrim's Shoes, I tried them with level 5 Praefatio but other than the nice Def I didn't see the point since without them if I time it right I can cast Lex Aeterna on each wave of ME anyway. Admittedly every second cast of ME when fighting a boss I have to skip the first Lex A to either High Heal or rebuff but losing 50% mdef piece for that didn't seem like a good trade so have left the Pilgrims in storage unless I'm supporting. Are these much better once Praefatio is level 10?

 

As for the Shrine Maiden's Hat vs Survivor's Circlet I normally wear SMH for the instant cast as the only enemies that aren't killed in 1-2 waves are bosses. But what surprised me is the bonus matk from the S.Circ is more damage with my current setup (+9 S.Circlet(uncarded), +7 Shoe and +13 Rods) than from my +9 SMH(weakened fenrir), so I use S.Circlet for killing Bijou/Stefan/Charleston3.

 

Typing this up made me realize my hat cards are bad :heh: so followup question. What card should go in a +9 SMH?

 

you can say the same about  piercing 100% mdef , Who need that except for Fhb , Beelze , Celine and charleston ( he is really easy you just save time ) ?

 

I guess if you want to try to kill those you want that 100% mdef but the rest of mvp die so fast that i don't know.


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Posted 26 June 2018 - 06:53 PM

^ I agree with this.

 

Unless the survivors combo set is guaranteeed to allowing you to 1-2 shotting whatever mob you are murdering, there is no point to the the combo. anything that requires 3+ shots benefit more from your cast delay reduction. AB's have the easiest time kiting mobs and considering the 2 second immunity that ME gives to a mob in between damaging waves, you are better off being able to walk around kitting mobs and planting ME's everywhere in mere miliseconds as you walk with it in contrast to only be dealing a slightly higher damage but making pit stops every single time. We should aim to make the most economical of the time we have, ME'ing is no exception.

 

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About Pilgrim's Shoes, I tried them with level 5 Praefatio but other than the nice Def I didn't see the point since without them if I time it right I can cast Lex Aeterna on each wave of ME anyway. Admittedly every second cast of ME when fighting a boss I have to skip the first Lex A to either High Heal or rebuff but losing 50% mdef piece for that didn't seem like a good trade so have left the Pilgrims in storage unless I'm supporting. Are these much better once Praefatio is level 10?

 

As for the Shrine Maiden's Hat vs Survivor's Circlet I normally wear SMH for the instant cast as the only enemies that aren't killed in 1-2 waves are bosses. But what surprised me is the bonus matk from the S.Circ is more damage with my current setup (+9 S.Circlet(uncarded), +7 Shoe and +13 Rods) than from my +9 SMH(weakened fenrir), so I use S.Circlet for killing Bijou/Stefan/Charleston3.

 

Typing this up made me realize my hat cards are bad :heh: so followup question. What card should go in a +9 SMH?

 

Engkanto would be good against demon's race with poison attribute (eremes guile, gertie, etc)

 

 

 

you can say the same about  piercing 100% mdef , Who need that except for Fhb , Beelze , Celine and charleston ( he is really easy you just save time ) ?

 

I guess if you want to try to kill those you want that 100% mdef but the rest of mvp die so fast that i don't know.

 

Celine Kimi can't be hitted with Magnus Exorcismus, please learn the basic skill fundamental before posting to avoid misled people here.

 

Btw I think you don't even know how significant monsters mdef reductions to your magic damage as opposed to def reductions to physical damage and you just play magic classes recently post the OCP eras where getting 100% mdef bypass equipments is pretty easy and much more affordable.

 

Say hello to Morroc The Desperate God, Brinarea, Muspellskoll, Bijou, GX Eremes Guile, RK Seyren Windsor, SC Gertie, Sura Chen, Immortal Wind Ghost, Immortal Cursed Knight and many more mobs that you haven't bother explored which I won't bother mentioning further :p_idea:

 

 

Learn mdef formula here or read parsed image below made by fuyuki in case you're too dumb / lazy in doing maths calculation

 

100% mdef pretty much outweigh lots of magic damage boost alternatives to magic class (not only AB) because of how overwhelming mdef formula works.

 

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Posted 26 June 2018 - 09:18 PM

  You are right about celine my bad , Bijou is so easy that whatever you do you can kill her and the rest are unlikely to solo ( Sky fortress is easy to solo aswell ) . i clearly implied that it can be worth if the mvp have high mdef and hp.

 

  You are using theory too much , the reality is that you 1 shoot almost 95% of the mobs and you can get coma , mob , can't use sw or pnuma ,ect. bewteen the cast delay.

yeah is amazing having 100% mdef piercing vs some mvp but for others you just save 10 seconds and you are more prone to die.

 

 

 


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 12:13 AM

iRO game mechanics roots is all about mathematical theory that've been field tests proven, it's not a stock markets where there are too much uncontrolled variables thus you can have wild speculations and rake in profits :heh:

 

I stated Bijou because it is one of ideal monsters example where going partial MDEF build against her is bad, that witch got 200 mdef (60% magic damage reduction). Let's say you're only using 50% mdef bypass on her, she will still have 100 mdef remaining (45% magic damage reduction)

 

1 shooting almost 95% of the mobs came from distorted reality of yours, as I've said before the skill itself got limited use on specific targets attributes.

 

There are many ways to avoid coma and such things, besides you can always pre-cast safety wall or pneuma before using ME, you can also kite the mobs during ME delay duration because ME classified as 14 seconds DoT AoE spells with 3 seconds wave damage cooldown (maximum 5 wave of damage if the mobs are stood still in the AoE) :p_idea:


Edited by DataDrain, 27 June 2018 - 12:21 AM.

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:15 AM

What is even your point ? Yeah piercing 100%mdef is the best for Damage . Do you really need to keep repeating that?.

 


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