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#1 Donami

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:46 AM

Hello,

 

Normal Pos and Rare Pos sets dont have Elemental Deff and that was well thought: 

 

I wonder why the 5th Hero Set gets Elemental Deff and Attack stats on Normal/advanced tier.

 

In my opinion it should get handeled like the POS Set and the Normal/Rare tier sets shouldnt have any Ele Deff/Attack stats.

 

You can get the normal set for free by a quest if you have the POS Set already. Some people dont need to farm any Items and in my opinion that is not the sense of the game.

 

Please remove the elemental Stats of the Normal/Rare 5th Hero Set.
 

Greetings

 

 


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#2 Zaydes

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 06:50 AM

I disagree with the statement above simply because it’s stupid. You can now ignore this post. Thank you
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Posted 15 October 2018 - 07:43 AM

Given the dungeon in question being the highest gear floor entry since On-Release Black Claw Nest, I have to disagree.

Yes you can show a Hero PoS set to Tesler and get Normal Fifth Hero for free. But that's still an entire set you have to farm to do that. The option is easier to people who had full sets already but they still had to run through tons of resources to make their former definitive endgame set. Even if you decide to make Hero PoS to get the free Normal set that's still 6-7 Hero PoS pieces plus a weapon to farm/buy mats for just to save on the Essences to get your normal set.

As for Hero PoS vs. Normal Fifth Hero; The biggest differences is debating on the alterations to the set bonuses and the fact that it's balanced Physical and Magical defenses. Yes it's +1 Rate to Resists and gives Element Damage Rate as well but they made the Rare and Hero Fifth Hero sets more of a bang for the effort required with even higher set bonuses. You go through the effort for a Hero set you'll get the results of Best in Slot vs. the Bronze Medal.
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#4 Donami

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 11:25 AM

I disagree with the statement above simply because it’s stupid. You can now ignore this post. Thank you

 I think u are one of these people i mentioned  :P

 

@Sam:

 

DS is an MMO, new sets are nothing surprising and that you have to farm for that too. Most People have the Pos set already and they are lucky that there is the option to receive the normal set (in my opinion).

I can undestand your point. So im okay with the ele deff staying there, but the attack? I dont see a reason to farm the hero set because the normal set is only a little bit worse than the hero set.

If there is a special stat (like the ele attack) for the hero set only this would lead more people to go for the hero set.

 

 

 

off topic: I never thaught that the forum is still "so" active. thanks for the answers so far.


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Posted 15 October 2018 - 04:42 PM

I think u are one of these people i mentioned :P

@Sam:

DS is an MMO, new sets are nothing surprising and that you have to farm for that too. Most People have the Pos set already and they are lucky that there is the option to receive the normal set (in my opinion).
I can undestand your point. So im okay with the ele deff staying there, but the attack? I dont see a reason to farm the hero set because the normal set is only a little bit worse than the hero set.
If there is a special stat (like the ele attack) for the hero set only this would lead more people to go for the hero set.



off topic: I never thaught that the forum is still "so" active. thanks for the answers so far.


I can understand where you are coming from. In fact the developer himself may even respect your opinion as it does reward based on the amount of grind and/or buy. (They still have to run DoD for Chaos Essence after all so it's not entirely buy your set)

But to give an idea of player insight as to why more people shortcut the Normal Set vs the Advanced/Hero set, I may have to talk about a rather sensitive topic; Stat Caps.

Stat Caps were implemented for a number of reasons by both original development and Popcorn. I'm not saying they're bad, in fact I agree with all of the reasons. But other players realize that the bigger numbers on the Advanced and Hero sets might not be as worthwhile when the Normal set can easily aid in reaching your 400ms/270-300as cap and the Element Damage of the Normal Set isn't as much of an aid without a Hero 5th Hero Weapon+ Bracelet or the Hero Element Accessories for extra damage for the maximum 4-element Damage Rate.

I'm not saying people who went for Hero set aren't smart as I'm going for Hero Overlord in my spare time also for the bigger stats. It's just the effort players go for PvP characters varies and those with Hero Sets tank and hit harder than the Normal sets because of even bigger resist and damage numbers. I'm not even gonna mention sockets however as that's Player preference whether to go more defensive and healthy or have all the damage.

So to summarize, they get the stats they apply the effort for. If you got Hero Set, your damage and defenses will be higher vs the players with Normal Sets.
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Posted 15 October 2018 - 10:42 PM

Ignoring the fact that doing this is extremely unethical to the players who have and are comfortable with their normal/rare fifth hero armor, let's talk about the two arguments I see in your proposal:
 
1. Normal and Rare POS don't have element resist, so why does the Fifth Hero set have it?
 
Equipment shouldn't be compared with each other, especially since the Fifth Hero is at a higher level/grade. 
I could make the same argument between BDL and POS:
  - Why does the rare BDL set have element resist when the rare POS, a set of higher level/grade, does not?
  - Why are we able to add element to BDL weapons when we can't for POS weapons?
  - Why does the POS set lack a shield when there's one in BDL?
Answer to all these questions is that they're two different sets and should not be compared with one another.
 
2. Having element attack/defense attack on normal/rare Fifth Hero give less incentive for players to upgrade their equipment.
 
Though I agree this is true, this system where the value/cost ratio of a stat decreases exponentially with higher quality items can be seen in many areas of the game. However, there was never any complaints for any of them. Here are some examples:
  - Skill cards: Upgrading a skill from Lv.9 to Lv.10 cost almost twice as much as upgrading a skill from Lv.5 to Lv.9, but the value of upgrading from Lv.9 to Lv.10 is significantly less than upgrading from Lv.5 to Lv.9.
  - Socket cards: Upgrading from 8* to 9* is less cost effective than upgrading a lower * card with the same amount of plasmas.
  - Soulcraft: Soulcrafting an equipment from normal to advanced gives ~50 soulforce. Soulcrafting an equipment from artifact cost like 10x more and only increase soulforce by ~10.
 
So why do players still do these things even though they aren't as cost-effective? Because some players like to grind and maximize their gear. If you are happy with normal/rare Fifth, good on you! I know many players who are satisfied with their normal/rare Fifth. Heck, I knew many people who were satisfied with normal/rare POS sets before Arcadia 3. 

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 02:28 AM

lul what is the point of using fifth hero normal set if they dont have more stat then hero pos @@


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 02:36 AM

btw all the thing u said are like you want to make everything set have the same upgrade system and stat bonus and even have the same type of gear combination @@ ? BDL have shield cuz they dont have the BDL wing in the set combination and why make pos just the same like BDL ? They need to make different combination for ea set not just the same thing.


Edited by zZDevilAngelZz, 16 October 2018 - 02:36 AM.

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