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#76 Ashuckel

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 06:55 PM

0.1s will do nothing to most cheaters as well but thats beside the point :U


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 06:55 PM

0.1s will do nothing to most cheaters as well but thats beside the point :U

 

I know but why not be fair and add it to every skill then?


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 06:57 PM

I know but why not be fair and add it to every skill then?

that should have been by design since the game's release.


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:00 PM

I know but why not be fair and add it to every skill then?


Totally agree this. If the intention is to avoid exploitation in pvm, then change every skill to. 1s cast delay, because every skills have the potential to be exploited.
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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:02 PM

@Campitor

 

why does one player have the power to change the game and cater it to his personal liking?


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#81 Ashuckel

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:04 PM

no one is disagreeing that every skill should have it :U

It's just specially funny that the most salty demographic on RO are always them RGs  kek


on a side note, oh man i wish "woe players" had this much power to sway GMs and make them do -_-, maybe WoE wouldnt have gone to crap like it did


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:17 PM

I think I'm simply making a legitimate complaint and concern. If they do it that'd be great, if they don't I won't be too upset either. 


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:58 PM

In no mod voice, I believe the listing should expand to cover more skills. The delay change/number should also vary based on the skill's usage, e.g skill delay versus global cd. That's being said, 0.1 is extremely minimal to even hurt ones game play.


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:58 PM

Oh man, WoE is gonna mess PvM again. Who the he’ll suggested the list again, Camp? Please tell me that these skills are most exploitable ... said by who now. We need some transparency (even though we know exactly who are behind this change again). Why Cart Cannon not on the list again? I’m asking for legitimate concern and curiosity T_T

If I understand it right. Cant win WoE. Let’s add WoE MvP. Can’t win WoE again. Let’s now try to nerf some skills. If still can’t win, what next? Ban players because they are too strong?

And some people say it’s kRO to blame, and not WP. Holy Jesus Christ rofl

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 08:06 PM

There have always been such ppls who want to dictate how other ppls should be playing this game. They exist in the past, and they will continue to exist in foreseeable future.

:rolleyes:


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 08:09 PM

@Campitor

you could at least elaborate on the reason.
some people are abusing VP in PvM? How, they were doing 7 hits per second?
fyi, that's the supposed delay.

https://youtu.be/b_9J-OcOyKE?t=1194

 

Would gladly revive my RG if the VP spam is like this. Why they nerf this?


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 08:50 PM

does adding, say, 0.14 sec cool down to all skills at least actually prevent illegitimate bypassing of skill animation delay through .GRF edits? if so, then that's step one;

 

next steps are to figure out how to disable the rest of the cheats (if that is even possible for even some of them  :dunno: );

e.g. "auto-target?", or what it appears to be - is this actually a thing? there are so many instances when certain players are seemingly able to instantly perfectly pick out enemy targets from a cell stacked with allied characters; are they auto-spamming skills, cycling on whatever available valid target that comes into their range? maybe even have a "priority target class" function? is that different from "packet-injection"?

 

also, what's so improper about individuals bringing up the issue of cheating to make GMs take action?; personally would have done the same many times if i actually had faith in them;

the aforementioned 0.1 sec cool down doesn't even affect legitimate game-play be it PvP or PvM (and is arguably not even enough).


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Posted 08 May 2019 - 10:24 PM

what's so improper about individuals bringing up the issue of cheating to make GMs take action?; personally would have done the same many times if i actually had faith in them;

 

Yeah exactly, these people complain that cheaters are ruining their pvp and yet they don't wanna make any effort to actually fix it? And when someone actually gives a /dam, they go "oooh one person whine and make them change things again" "GM's easily manipulated by big whales"

People complaining about 0.1 sec delay when they have 0.2+ sec lag /gg

Assuming they can even press buttons + target twice in less than 0.1 sec in the first place?


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 02:51 AM

So see a lot of complaining.

Can someone start putting together a list of all the other skills that this should be applied to.

I get it “everything” needs it. But let’s start with a list.

Cart cannon is one of them. What else.

Maybe the skills listed now can be treated as a phase 1

The concerns on skills missed might be added to a phase 2.

This post reminds me a lot of something I see at work.

“Who wants change!”
“We do!!”
“Who wants to change”
“.....”
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 03:13 AM

Rolling Cutter needs a 3 second cast delay. Cross Ripper Slasher is being abused.


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 03:23 AM

Pretty telling which kind of people complain about the 0,1 sec nerf here, hard to hide in the crowd as a cheating scumback when theres no crowd anymore to hide in.


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:43 AM

0.1 sec is something... lol..really it doesn't give different? If i m feel it with my doram how will do for GM?
This is really joke.. if planning increase 0.1 sec add it for all skill..
My question only those skill ppl will do cheat? How with other skill..
As GM team how can do this? I can say this very2 bad idea..because only hearing few ppl say about posible cheat? Lolol
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:50 AM

If u guy add inside i m sure quit this server for real.. because of cheater other player who play fair got the problem u are made
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 06:54 AM

dude i am sure you are just raging without thinking properly. Many has said many times that 0.1 CD or delay (whatever it ends up being) will NOT affect any form of legitimate plays. And it is true, because all theoretical highest spam is 7 per sec from 193 ASPD. 0.1 still allows up to 10 per second, which means the 7 is UNAFFECTED.

So many others try to point out that those raging are the cheaters because they are the ones ACTUALLY affected. Are you trying very hard to prove you’re a cheater or something? Otherwise PROVE why this will affect your legitimate gameplay. Your complain has gotten very annoying imo.
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 07:45 AM

I don’t think anyone complains about the 0.1 second, at least I don’t and I was a cheater killer in WoE. So yes I’m all for abusing cheaters. I believe I personally complain about the lack of transparency. I troll forums (aka rising awareness of a lack of transparency) For example, why is VP on the list and CC isn’t? Why are only certain skills on the list but not every skill? Who the hell came up with the list?

Seeing there are only few RGs left, which means a chance for people to actually abuse VP is almost minimal. On the opposite, there are tons and tons of Gens who exploits CC and yeah CC is not in the list. I just sense that if some WoE RG kill you in WoE, you don’t have to be butthurt and mess PvM RGs, which are already unicorns lol

Oh notice that I’m not complaining anything about OB being on the list because yes that skill is being exploited by some RGs (you know who you are lol) long time ago rofl
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:21 AM

CAMPITOR WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT BOWLING BASH AND DOUBLE STRAFE? WHY DO YOU HATE RK's AND RANGER's SO MUCH?? WHY DID THEY DO TO BE PUNISHED MOAR SEVERELY THAN OTHERS?? WHY CAMPITOR?!?!?! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

i cri


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 08:55 AM

If my math is right, then 1.00 sec divided by 7 hits = 0.143 sec inbetween each hit :P

Want easy 10 hits per sec? then make a Star Gladiator lol


Edited by ninJedi, 09 May 2019 - 09:02 PM.

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 05:28 PM

It doesnt matter i have 1-2 sec lag anyway 3 if am lucky lmfao
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 11:23 PM

To be honest, 3 shot GOH per second is already pretty op in woe now cause player HP can easily reach 250k in iRO which is not normal in other server. Most new player dont even have 50k HP at 175. I suggest adding a 0.5 second on GOH or mask etc skills.


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Posted 10 May 2019 - 12:54 AM

Conclusion here is wp out of nowhere releases a list of some skills, with. 1s cast delay to be added. As mentioned in my previous statement, we still require a clear answer why only these skills been edited..
If you claim these skills are been exploited in woe, the changes should be in woe environment.
If it is in pvm environment, where is the proof? Based on number of active rg players in this server, it is easy to identify and ban that player, instead of adding this cast delay.
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