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[DarkDan]

I found this the hard way! And filed a ticket about it too, I broke 2 items, thought that this Event would only degrade items instead of break them Using E. Elum/Ori.

 

I did this event in the past, spend cash, and had a great time, but now only ended in frustration.

 

I double check before doing the event looking at faqs at irowiki.org was not even changed to inform players, relying on the site, of the new rules..

 

For me, is quite unfair and I really hope warpportal would do justice about it.

 

I hate to break it to you but that little piece you circled says Enriched Oridecon and Elunium + Enriched Refine Event.  This is a Mad Bunny Refine Event lol. Not a Encriched Refine Event. Do you see Enriched Hammer on second floor of Eden? 

[ChakriGuard]

Tbh, I was confused with this refinement myself, initially, because I was away for too long.

I can imagine the pain and the confusion new players must go through trying to understand the whole refinement system.

[Joaco]

I hate to break it to you but that little piece you circled says Enriched Oridecon and Elunium + Enriched Refine Event.  This is a Mad Bunny Refine Event lol. Not a Encriched Refine Event. Do you see Enriched Hammer on second floor of Eden? 

Well, actually Enriched Hammer isn't related to Enriched Refine Event. This event was introduced for the first time after the hiatus and it lasted 2-3 weeks iirc.

 

We've had 3 different types of events

Mad Bunny event: Increased rates when refining from +10 to +20 (HD Bradiums/Carniums) & increased rates when refining from +0 to +10 only with Enriched Eluniums/Oridecons. The former has no chance of breaking, gears only degrade if it fails; whereas the latter, i.e. Enriched ores, break gears upon failure. (It works with the new UI)

Enriched Hammer: No increased rates, just normal enriched ores rates but only degrades upon failure (for +7 ~ +9 only) instead of breaking like it normally does. NPC works the same way Mighty Hammer (for HD ores) does, so you can keep on refining even if the gear goes back to +4 as long as you have enough ores on your inventory. (Doesn't work with the new UI)

Enriched Refine event: Increased rates for Enriched ores and no chance to break the gear. Can be used from +0 to +10. (Works with the new UI)

 

And then there's Shadow Refine event which is like double rolls on each attempt, but that's just for shadow gears.

 

tldr: Enriched Hammer and Enriched Refine event are safe (don't break gears, just degrade) for Enriched ores, but Mad Bunny event isn't safe for Enriched ores while it is safe for ores above +10 (HD Carnium/Bradium).

[VModCinnamon]

With the ongoing users confusion not only on the new UI, but on the refine events themselves; I'd personally think it is time to phase out Bunny/Enriched events, and introduce a new one in which combines the perks of both (adjustments may be done as needed). That or have a use of the Old Ores as they appear in the UI that we don't have them available to server yet. 

[PandaRtZ]

With the ongoing users confusion not only on the new UI, but on the refine events themselves; I'd personally think it is time to phase out Bunny/Enriched events, and introduce a new one in which combines the perks of both (adjustments may be done as needed). That or have a use of the Old Ores as they appear in the UI that we don't have them available to server yet. 

One more thing is how about the safe to 7 certification? how to use it now a day. Because no more NPC that use for it.

[DarkDan]

I’m learning something new lol. I’ve been here since 2011 and never heard of a enriched refine event without enriched hammer. Haven’t been on as much since the hiatus. The new UI was a little confusing at first. Wasn’t sure how to use blacksmith blessing without the old npc. Was scared the UI would maybe break my gear. Tested the new UI on a bad equip and wasted a blacksmith blessing to make sure it was safe before I put a good gear in it. 

[YongkySH]

Link for announcement about MBS

http://renewal.playr...ail.aspx?id=402

Link for ore rate during MBS

https://forums.warpp...-2#entry2502070

@Cinnamon maybe can put this link on renewal maintenance thread page 1

Barely any info about this event for new players lol

Edited by YongkySH, 29 March 2020 - 09:13 PM.

[VModCinnamon]

Link for announcement about MBS

http://renewal.playr...ail.aspx?id=402

Link for ore rate during MBS

https://forums.warpp...-2#entry2502070

@Cinnamon maybe can put this link on renewal maintenance thread page 1

Barely any info about this event for new players lol

 

Thank you, will ask the staff to embed these when it's possible.

[RogerKhan]

I bought my first 100 HD Cradium box and I use normal Cranium from +10 and +11 and in 100 HD ore I never got to +13 once. Is that normal or is it just me? The box is 720m and not once to +13 ...... what..? Maybe I should probably just stop touching refinement before it too late lol. Shouldn't have touch it in the first place.

Edited by RogerKhan, 29 March 2020 - 09:45 PM.

[ChakriGuard]

Give us better rates, Camp.

[awesomegeek]

I bought my first 100 HD Cradium box and I use normal Cranium from +10 and +11 and in 100 HD ore I never got to +13 once. Is that normal or is it just me? The box is 720m and not once to +13 ...... what..? Maybe I should probably just stop touching refinement before it too late lol. Shouldn't have touch it in the first place.

 

for Armors & lvl4 Weapons, usually if you have spent 40-50 ores already and +13 just wouldn't come out, its time to use a different character to refine the same gear.

also if you spam enter and you keep failing, you should stop. close the chat and restart over.

refining is like trying to get Mild Wind. its random, but you can sense the pattern.

[Nirvanna21]

There is no pattern. It's like the guy claiming to swap mobs for better capture chances when taming.

[awesomegeek]

I bought my first 100 HD Cradium box and I use normal Cranium from +10 and +11 and in 100 HD ore I never got to +13 once. Is that normal or is it just me? The box is 720m and not once to +13 ...... what..? Maybe I should probably just stop touching refinement before it too late lol. Shouldn't have touch it in the first place.

 

it's up to you what to believe. I'm telling you based on my experience of refining & procing things multiple times in this game. my guild mates who has multiple +14s say the same.

either you believe this or on a self righteous knowledge and acts a know it all the time.

i couldn't care less about what he says and i give 0 respect.

[Nirvanna21]

Seeing as you are calling me self righteous, let me explain why what you say makes no sense.

 

You see, you are correct, RNG does have a pattern, but not the way you think. I will give an example using Disgaea.

 

In Disgaea, you have the item world, a place that generates random stages that you must progress in order to increase an items power. Every 10 seconds, it generates approximately 30~40 pre-made levels for that once instance, they have all been randomly generated as a subset for those 10 seconds. If you save your game outside of the npc, or used a save state on an emulator, then as long as you proceed with the exact same movements and arrive in the stage at the exact same time, you will encounter the same randomly generated level. The key here is that by saving a game, the internal clock of the game has been saved at that particular point in time. Therefore you can safely generate the exact same randomized stage with the same enemies, same items etc.

 

RO doesn't work like that, because the game's closest form of a comparative save state is a rollback. So unless a rollback occurs, it won't work the same. Therefore you are left with the next concept. What if I restart the NPC dialogue? Will that change it? The answer is yes, but not in the way you think it works. It will change the outcome, but it doesn't mean it will work. In RO, RNG is simply luck, because save states don't exists outside of a rollback and people claim things to be a fact rather than a coincidence.

 

As long as the odds are neither 0% or 100%, then RNG is what it is.

[2999140515055616440]

There is no pattern. It's like the guy claiming to swap mobs for better capture chances when taming.

 

Ohhh!! I tend to do this and it usually works!!  

Nah, even though I do that, it's mainly just a feel good thing.

After 5 tames, it didn't work. Changed, use 6 more tames and it worked. With the extra 6 attempts, of course there are more chances for it to work.

 

The same goes to refine. Refine failed, changed character, use more ores and the refine is successful.

The success have more to do with more attempts being carried out than due to swap of character. After all when the refine is going smoothly, I won't switch character. Only when it goes bad then one switch character. Making it easy to get the feeling that the success is due to the switch of character, when actually it's more about the extra attempts.

[Boyeteers]

I always refine 2 gears with same ups all the time bruh and it works 50% of the time. if one fails, then I go yolo. it's either win or go home kind of a situation. lol

[arrowspear]

With the ongoing users confusion not only on the new UI, but on the refine events themselves; I'd personally think it is time to phase out Bunny/Enriched events, and introduce a new one in which combines the perks of both (adjustments may be done as needed). That or have a use of the Old Ores as they appear in the UI that we don't have them available to server yet. 

 

Just want for clarification, in Mad Bunny event, upgrade +10 or higher using HD Cranium or HD Braduim will simply downgrade -1 the item if fail to upgrade. Is that correct? 

[ChaoticRK]

RNG is great I've even broken a +4 headgear with a seemingly high chance to +5. That's 95%. Fml