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#1 Demesiscore

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Posted 25 May 2020 - 12:12 AM

I didn't play a few years and alot item is come in server and rebalance patch . I am not sure about item build on this patch now and need suggestion  about item.

 

I read a rebalance patch  and have some question: 

 
"Knuckle and Fist weapons for Monks now do 100% Damage against Small and Medium targets, and 75% Damage against Large targets"
 
Crimson Mace is still best weapon for monk or  Knuckle lv4 high dmg is better (some doubt about size penalty on Large )?

 

 

Head: Devil hand or ???  

Mid: iro diabolus wing with shoes is best or not ??

Low: ???

Weapon: Crimson Mace or Knuckle lv4 [Card AK or  WK ]

Armor: not sure at all

Shield: excelion shield with WK or not ??

Shoes: not sure about iro diabolus wing set or temp boot slot with temporal ring set ?? [ Card not sure]

muffler: wakwak man or other ?

Accessory: BP or temporal ring or Other [Gold Scaraba ??]

 

 

thx for suggestion .


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Posted 25 May 2020 - 12:41 AM

with the weapon adjustment u should use illusion combo battle gloves. 2slotted and has 250 base attack, which is huge. Supposingly gives increased tiger cannon damage too but there were some bug reports saying effects not working (im not sure i don own one to test). However, even without the effect it will still be stronger than crimson mace.


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Posted 25 May 2020 - 12:57 AM

with the weapon adjustment u should use illusion combo battle gloves. 2slotted and has 250 base attack, which is huge. Supposingly gives increased tiger cannon damage too but there were some bug reports saying effects not working (im not sure i don own one to test). However, even without the effect it will still be stronger than crimson mace.

 

Oh new knuckle and high dmg but if vs mace with 25% Large size penalty is ok or not. (I wil try to find that for test) .


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Posted 25 May 2020 - 02:20 PM

Hands down Devil Hand

pretty sure Dwing + Boots is the way to go for FC & GFist.

use those double dip dresses , else FDA or EDA

Excelion Shield should be the BIS

i'll stick to MM if i dont need HIT
else Ladon 

 

Temporal Ring / ROJ / GP. G.scaraba on both accessories


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Posted 25 May 2020 - 03:50 PM

about dress if want to more dmg FDA vs Fafnir Scale vs Brynhild compare for gfist/dc/goh what the best for choice. (about vs undress abyss dress will more dmg , right? ) 

 

Question about temporal ring if use Dwing + Boots , temporal ring is ok for use ?


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 04:26 AM

about dress if want to more dmg FDA vs Fafnir Scale vs Brynhild compare for gfist/dc/goh what the best for choice. (about vs undress abyss dress will more dmg , right? ) 

 

Question about temporal ring if use Dwing + Boots , temporal ring is ok for use ?

 

Fafnir for all around flexibility when using gfist/tc/goh.

 

Temp ring even more godly for gfist build now, since runaway magic temporal boots are now socketable with cards (snap any sp boosting cards like sohee, abandoned teddy bear or lady tanee plus that huge +40 INT & 10% sp boost from the ring & boots combo)

 

colorful dresses (abbys, nature, icefall) are for specific racial & elemental targets.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 05:52 AM

Fafnir for all around flexibility when using gfist/tc/goh.

 

Temp ring even more godly for gfist build now, since runaway magic temporal boots are now socketable with cards (snap any sp boosting cards like sohee, abandoned teddy bear or lady tanee plus that huge +40 INT & 10% sp boost from the ring & boots combo)

 

colorful dresses (abbys, nature, icefall) are for specific racial & elemental targets.

 

 

oh if I ues temp ring + temp shoe runaway magic option. On middle and mount what 's good item? seraphim coronet set , right ?


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 05:58 AM

there goes the pro with 10 sura, 

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Posted 26 May 2020 - 06:35 AM

oh if I ues temp ring + temp shoe runaway magic option. On middle and mount what 's good item? seraphim coronet set , right ?

 
Yes, go with seraph on temporal sets.
 
otherwise you can go with heavy upgraded diabolus boots and wing combo for more flexible sura status builds.
 

there goes the pro with 10 sura, 

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Posted 26 May 2020 - 04:06 PM

 
Yes, go with seraph on temporal sets.
 
otherwise you can go with heavy upgraded diabolus boots and wing combo for more flexible sura status builds.

 

If max gfist build go seraph on temporal sets and uh another accessory with GP or RoJ right.


and If want to go heavy upgraded diabolus set flexible for TG and GoH with accessory  RoJ  and temporal  ring, right ?


What about weapon Do you thing 
illusion combo battle gloves is the best weapon now ?

 

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Posted 28 May 2020 - 11:53 AM

If max gfist build go seraph on temporal sets and uh another accessory with GP or RoJ right.

 

Yes, but suit your equipment budget and aim for less expensive one if you need other priority equipment first that are more general & usable for most builds & characters (if you're not only playing sura as a main).

 

The key to boost the skill damage is to look at the damage factor stated in the skill formula and which are more dominant, the key factor on Gfist are SP & physical ATK.


and If want to go heavy upgraded diabolus set flexible for TG and GoH with accessory  RoJ  and temporal  ring, right ?

You could but its not mandatory, again suit your equipment budget with your necessity.

There are lesser impactful equipment besides RoJ & Temporal Rings and there are also stronger equipment besides these 2.



What about weapon Do you thing illusion combo battle gloves is the best weapon now ?

 

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ICB  should be level 4 knuckle class weapons with highest base weapon attack circulated right now, but do take note the size modifier of knuckle weapons.

The future should be bright though, AFAIK the current size modifier are 100% against small size, 75% against medium size and 50% against large size. The future patch should alter it to be 100% against small size, 100% against medium size and 75% against large size.

 

Another thing to note are melee weapons with high base weapon attack are favorable towards build with high STR status.

 

You can check some of alternative equipment I posted before here

 

See my answers above in green.
 


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 02:26 PM

knuckle size pentalty has already been updated


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 04:04 PM

After patch update that make me and friend have discuss about + 15 crimson mace vs +15 illusion combo battle glove because sura will go str 120 for high dmg should benefit with lv 4 weapon and high base but my friend say +15 crimson do more dmg that make me hesitate about that
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