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#1 youkidding12

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 03:37 AM

is it even good or have any shinning points?

 

I see many ED RG with like Kiel, GTB, Phroneei, GXT-XXX, 

barely see ED RG withou this cards, want to play this build but no MVP..


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 04:47 AM

by your post history you seem very stuck up on "with no mvps" this or that


There are no builds in the game that REQUIRE mvp cards to function at a very good level, they just make the process smoother if you happen to have it. Also they serve very specific purposes wich you seem to ignore and just lump into "it's mvp card so it's impossible without".

GTB is used to cheese enemies with magic skills and very specific debuffs, like dispel, but it's not a be alll end all card that is better to use in all scenarios. Giving up the damage reduction card on shields is a pretty hefty cost in many cases.

Freeoni on it's own is rarely used, it's purpose is it's set for the perfect Hit, wich is to deal with constant Agi Up enemies. Those are pretty rare(a handful of mvps and it's most used case, bio5 snipers). Chances are a video you see of someone using it outside of bio5 is because they didn't bother to make multiple weapons, and just use it as an all purpose everywhere since they don't lack the damage.

Kiel can be replaced by a multitude of other gears to get delay reduction on most classes, using it instead just allow for you to be more greedy on atk or reduction gears.

And so on


ED RG works just fine without any mvps, as does any other class.


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 05:08 AM

not a big deal actually. You only need the rings, a good hat with delay, Imperial feather set (Or seraphim if you prefer), a 3 slot spear with true Randel card and +10 EDA for permanent free HP/SP Leech


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 07:25 AM

not a big deal actually. You only need the rings, a good hat with delay, Imperial feather set (Or seraphim if you prefer), a 3 slot spear with true Randel card and +10 EDA for permanent free HP/SP Leech

yah u dont even need the T.Randell card if the parameter is only to be viable, just hitlock em good


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Posted 01 March 2021 - 05:48 AM

by your post history you seem very stuck up on "with no mvps" this or that


There are no builds in the game that REQUIRE mvp cards to function at a very good level, they just make the process smoother if you happen to have it. Also they serve very specific purposes wich you seem to ignore and just lump into "it's mvp card so it's impossible without".

GTB is used to cheese enemies with magic skills and very specific debuffs, like dispel, but it's not a be alll end all card that is better to use in all scenarios. Giving up the damage reduction card on shields is a pretty hefty cost in many cases.

Freeoni on it's own is rarely used, it's purpose is it's set for the perfect Hit, wich is to deal with constant Agi Up enemies. Those are pretty rare(a handful of mvps and it's most used case, bio5 snipers). Chances are a video you see of someone using it outside of bio5 is because they didn't bother to make multiple weapons, and just use it as an all purpose everywhere since they don't lack the damage.

Kiel can be replaced by a multitude of other gears to get delay reduction on most classes, using it instead just allow for you to be more greedy on atk or reduction gears.

And so on


ED RG works just fine without any mvps, as does any other class.

No, I'm exploring different classes that suit me well and suit my purpose well, I'm looking for some class is brainless easy to use, I have try many build like DB RK Ranger Arm Cannon GX Gene, and still have there shorts, 

 

So far, GX is the class fit my goals except slow ET clearing and easy to die on Bio5, still trying to seek for other class, ED RG is the most brainless class but it require MVP cards which, I don't wanna buy, so I'm asking for how would be..

 

But thank you for you reply, now, I have good sense of how is RG without those MVP cards, there are a lots of information on your guys' every reply.


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Posted 01 March 2021 - 05:50 AM

yah u dont even need the T.Randell card if the parameter is only to be viable, just hitlock em good

sorry not quite understant " parameter is only to be viable, just hitlock em good"


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Posted 01 March 2021 - 05:51 AM

not a big deal actually. You only need the rings, a good hat with delay, Imperial feather set (Or seraphim if you prefer), a 3 slot spear with true Randel card and +10 EDA for permanent free HP/SP Leech

How about the Punlishment Shoes?


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Posted 01 March 2021 - 03:32 PM

What is your goal with RG for wearing Shoes of Punishment? HP/SP% increase and MDEF increase?

 

You can pretty much wear any footgear; just depends on what you're trying to increase with the footgear.

  • One common option is Imperial Boots for the Atk% increase and defense-bypass
  • Another common option is Fluffy Fish Shoes for the after-cast delay reduction
  • Both Imperial Boots and Fluffy Fish Shoes have the same HP/SP% increase as Shoes of Punishment but less MDEF increase (10 vs. 15)
  • If you have neither of those and 120 STR, you could wear Temporal Str Boots for the Atk+50 at 120 STR (and +7 Atk for every three refine levels)

Re: "parameter":

  • In other words, what is your measurement for success for RG?
    • If you don't have defined metrics for success, you may never be satisfied with a class. I think that's what you're dealing with now, after seeing your posts about DB-RK -> Mado Mech -> RG
    • No class is truly brainless. Practice/experimentation is still required to get the most out of a class; some classes just might have a lower threshold for how much practice is needed
  • To Essmikayl's point, if RG success means you can take out Bio5 mobs without dying, you don't need MVP cards nor True Randel Lawrence cards for that
  • You can avoid dying by not getting hit or reducing how often you get hit
    • Hitlocking is one way to prevent getting hit
    • Conceptually, hitlocking is preventing an enemy from moving/acting (i.e., locking them in place) by hitting them at a rate based on the enemy's movement and animation speed (varies from enemy to enemy)
    • For very exaggerated (and inaccurate) simplicity: just hit them as fast as possible (e.g., 7 Earth Drives per minute)

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Posted 03 March 2021 - 06:51 PM

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What is your goal with RG for wearing Shoes of Punishment? HP/SP% increase and MDEF increase?

You can pretty much wear any footgear; just depends on what you're trying to increase with the footgear.

  • One common option is Imperial Boots for the Atk% increase and defense-bypass
  • Another common option is Fluffy Fish Shoes for the after-cast delay reduction
  • Both Imperial Boots and Fluffy Fish Shoes have the same HP/SP% increase as Shoes of Punishment but less MDEF increase (10 vs. 15)
  • If you have neither of those and 120 STR, you could wear Temporal Str Boots for the Atk+50 at 120 STR (and +7 Atk for every three refine levels)
Re: "parameter":
  • In other words, what is your measurement for success for RG?
    • If you don't have defined metrics for success, you may never be satisfied with a class. I think that's what you're dealing with now, after seeing your posts about DB-RK -> Mado Mech -> RG
    • No class is truly brainless. Practice/experimentation is still required to get the most out of a class; some classes just might have a lower threshold for how much practice is needed
  • To Essmikayl's point, if RG success means you can take out Bio5 mobs without dying, you don't need MVP cards nor True Randel Lawrence cards for that
  • You can avoid dying by not getting hit or reducing how often you get hit
    • Hitlocking is one way to prevent getting hit
    • Conceptually, hitlocking is preventing an enemy from moving/acting (i.e., locking them in place) by hitting them at a rate based on the enemy's movement and animation speed (varies from enemy to enemy)
    • For very exaggerated (and inaccurate) simplicity: just hit them as fast as possible (e.g., 7 Earth Drives per minute)

Thank you, the shoes I got the name wrong, and learnt a lot from you, like i didn’t know Fluffy Fish shoes, I didn’t tried many class to expore my final main class haha.

On RG I’m hoping to safely relaxly efficiently farming in Bio 5 with low consumable, and trying to farm MVP cards to achieve the goal.

So maybe I should ask my question more cleanly like:
Can I use RG to achieve above goals pretty well without MVP cards?

Maybe my problems is lack of knowledge about farming in bio5, those mobs is crazy, and I can not teleport in bio5 ( btw the way I see ppl come in and out bio 5 very fast, how do you do it?)

But I do enjoy asking questions on the forum, because provide me very much knowledge the game, thank you
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Posted 04 March 2021 - 06:10 AM

you can't farm there efficiently using Earth Drive without GTB. you could use Prestige and put lots of INT & LUK but i have never seen anyone do it. you're better off with a Meteor Assault GX i think.

 

for reference this build is great:


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Posted 04 March 2021 - 07:18 AM

the concept of efficiency differs from person to person


no mvp cards are necessary for any class to farm in bio5, if you consider it efficient or not is up to your own personal judgement.


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Posted 04 March 2021 - 12:20 PM

Yep. Someone who's farming Bio5 to sell the fragments generally has a more strict threshold for efficiency. By contrast, someone who farms Bio5 to use the fragments would likely have a lenient threshold for efficiency. For example:

  • Personally, I'd be fine spending up to 200K in consumables per Cursed Fragment to use, vs. spending 300K+ to buy 1 Cursed Fragment
  • Whereas if I were farming the fragments only to sell, I'd want a 3x ROI (return on investment) at least, so spend up to 75K in consumables per CF to sell at 300K. To Ash's point, another person might require a bigger ROI, while yet another person might be okay with just a 1x ROI (or 0.5x or even less)

Continuing with the 200K example, and assuming Slim Whites are 5K each, I'm willing to use up to 40 potions to get one Cursed Fragment. This assumes that the only drop I would use is Cursed Fragment. Factor in the other drops that I would use or could sell, and the potions used per drop goes down further; therefore, I'd be willing to use even more potions per drop.


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