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[liang2]

were you trying to solo a whole guild with warlock in it? o.O
if not, it was wrong to not bring an AB in attack team.
if you were in defend team, there's no way to not have a AB.
if you were in a team, warlocks wouldn't have time to deal with you once WI disabled you, they gotta deal with other people. who would cast the long cast Gravity Field or short ranged earth strain on a disabled person while facing other threatening enemies.

for pvp situation, warlocks would die if you could approach near them; you get disabled if they WI you in long range; they die and probably get 1~2 shot(depending on gears) by a RG if they fail to WI you before you approach them and kill them. can a warlock say it's unfair for them becaue they get 1 shot by a RG? a warlock still failed to WI and died to a GX who hit-locked for 5~10 secconds. it is pretty fair though. but for pvp, it has more skills and godly-gears elements which are hard to discuss in theory.

Edited by liang2, 30 May 2011 - 12:07 AM.

[FiskBlack]

were you trying to solo a whole guild with warlock in it? o.O
if not, it was wrong to not bring an AB in attack team.
if you were in defend team, there's no way to not have a AB.
if you were in a team, warlocks wouldn't have time to deal with you once WI disabled you, they gotta deal with other people. who would cast the long cast Gravity Field or short ranged earth strain on a disabled person while facing other threatening enemies.

for pvp situation, warlocks would die if you could approach near them; you get disabled if they WI you in long range; they die and probably get 1~2 shot(depending on gears) by a RG if they fail to WI you before you approach them and kill them. can a warlock say it's unfair for them becaue they get 1 shot by a RG? a warlock still failed to WI and died to a GX who hit-locked for 5~10 secconds. it is pretty fair though. but for pvp, it has more skills and godly-gears elements which are hard to discuss in theory.

Another example WoE/PvP post of specific situations, did you read the post? What you said it was mentioned before but thanks for your commentary.
No, the GX wont be 5-10 secs locked, the min effect time of WI is 10 seconds no less. In pvp you are right but there is nothing skill about spaming a button and then kill the enemy witouth the chance of defend himself. RG's,RK's,Suras they all have unbalanced skills like bugged Exced Break, almost instant and powerful GoH, RK's gloomy CS maybe... well RK's are the ones who have less chance to win lol and of course genetics, with all their OP unbalanced skills :V.
The point is you do not get what WI can do as a skill, read the other posts please and then do a better commentary, you will get a better understanding of the situation, if no, just go and try it by yourself.

Edited by FiskBlack, 30 May 2011 - 07:22 AM.

[Wizard]

wow... still complaining on this?

The only thing WI can do as a skill is trap you for X seconds where you can't get hit by anything other than Ghost attacks but you can get status...

Same with Manhole... but here you can't pot.

It seems no one else is having problems with the skill at all... "working as intended" maybe?

[Mefistofeles]

wow... still complaining on this?

The only thing WI can do as a skill is trap you for X seconds where you can't get hit by anything other than Ghost attacks but you can get status...

Same with Manhole... but here you can't pot.

It seems no one else is having problems with the skill at all... "working as intended" maybe?

manhole requires a skillfull user, manhole its a trap, and white imprison its target, how stupid can you be?

[Wizard]

manhole requires a skillfull user, manhole its a trap, and white imprison its target, how stupid can you be?

Ask urself that question if you complain about a Warlock's skill xD

[FiskBlack]

Ask urself that question if you complain about a Warlock's skill xD

Too much offtopic huh?
You should start to do PM if you want to say that kind of stuff.

[Aeolus]

manhole requires a skillfull user, manhole its a trap, and white imprison its target, how stupid can you be?

Only thing that counters manhole is GTB, there are several ways to get out of white imprison or not get placed in it.
Manhole works every time, white imprison does not (Even though it is instant cast you could be doing a lot more with your time instead of spamming WI.)
Manhole can be pre-casted, WI can't.
Manhole can disable 3 people at a time (or keep one person continually disabled,) WI can only disable one person at a time (I believe or at least last time I tested it wasn't able to.)
Manhole can move players, WI can't.


Main point being while white imprison is indefinitely more useful in pvp (not WoE), manhole still gets the upper hand in many other situations. White Imprison is meant to be used as a disable/escape method.

Too much offtopic huh?
You should start to do PM if you want to say that kind of stuff.

You should delete all of your stupid ponies and stop posting. What are you 10?

Edited by Aeolus, 30 May 2011 - 02:55 PM.

[Mefistofeles]

Only thing that counters manhole is GTB, there are several ways to get out of white imprison or not get placed in it.
Manhole works every time, white imprison does not (Even though it is instant cast you could be doing a lot more with your time instead of spamming WI.)
Manhole can be pre-casted, WI can't.
Manhole can disable 3 people at a time (or keep one person continually disabled,) WI can only disable one person at a time (I believe or at least last time I tested it wasn't able to.)
Manhole can move players, WI can't.


Main point being while white imprison is indefinitely more useful in pvp (not WoE), manhole still gets the upper hand in many other situations. White Imprison is meant to be used as a disable/escape method.

All shadow chasers will disagree with you, its really hard to put some 1 in manhole, earth drive can delete manhole(as you and that stupid warlock says that stat recovery free you from white imprison, you just cant have always a rg or priest class near of you) also pvp its important to ragnarok too, woe its just 2 times in the week, people that quit like me just log for pvp or woe, being shadow chaser its tooooo hard... REALLY, manhole its way harder to use than you guys think, white imprison can own any 150 char with a warlock 130+ (YES I MEAN PVP, not woe after all, but white imprison its stupid in bg too) AND PLEASE READ THIS: we dont ask for a SUPER MEGA HYPER NERF, just a balance to make it fair in 1vs1, please think twice before answer, a good balance should be like kro made to manhole, that you cant white imprison some that its already in white imprison or idk, suggest something too

Edited by Mefistofeles, 30 May 2011 - 03:06 PM.

[FiskBlack]

Only thing that counters manhole is GTB, there are several ways to get out of white imprison or not get placed in it.
Manhole works every time, white imprison does not (Even though it is instant cast you could be doing a lot more with your time instead of spamming WI.)
Manhole can be pre-casted, WI can't.
Manhole can disable 3 people at a time (or keep one person continually disabled,) WI can only disable one person at a time (I believe or at least last time I tested it wasn't able to.)
Manhole can move players, WI can't.


Main point being while white imprison is indefinitely more useful in pvp (not WoE), manhole still gets the upper hand in many other situations. White Imprison is meant to be used as a disable/escape method.




You should delete all of your stupid ponies and stop posting. What are you 10?

That "wasting time" spaming WI is what 2 seconds? lol
True manhole can be pre-casted, that mean you do can avoid it, manhole can disable 3 people, white imprission 2, but in woe is more useful manhole since is trap as i know got the effect of 3x time duration.
Manhole got limitations too, for example you can use items, got range of like 4 cells and is not instant.

Lol you dont like ponies.

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Edited by FiskBlack, 30 May 2011 - 03:17 PM.

[Aeolus]

All shadow chasers will disagree with you, its really hard to put some 1 in manhole, earth drive can delete manhole(as you and that stupid warlock says that stat recovery free you from white imprison, you just cant have always a rg or priest class near of you) also pvp its important to ragnarok too, woe its just 2 times in the week, people that quit like me just log for pvp or woe, being shadow chaser its tooooo hard... REALLY, manhole its way harder to use than you guys think, white imprison can own any 150 char with a warlock 130+ (YES I MEAN PVP, not woe after all, but white imprison its stupid in bg too) AND PLEASE READ THIS: we dont ask for a SUPER MEGA HYPER NERF, just a balance to make it fair in 1vs1, please think twice before answer, a good balance should be like kro made to manhole, that you cant white imprison some that its already in white imprison or idk, suggest something too

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I do have a shadow chaser and I have used manhole, it is so easy to trap someone. If you can't do it then I honestly have no idea what you're doing wrong. You can get skill such as flying kick and windmill to slow your opponent down then just use manhole.
It is not WAY harder to use as you are saying you just have no idea how to use it. When you're playing this game you should probably see what other people do and learn from it. How do you think people get better anyways? You can either think of a good idea on your own or copy other peoples ideas. Personally I don't think you're quite capable of thinking of a brilliant idea by yourself because of the quality of your posts, but that's just me. And please explain to me what nerf you want to happen because I'm way too lazy to go back and read your senseless dribble (So please put it in a sentence if possible.) Btw if you're dying to a 130 warlock on a 150 character other than maybe an AB or another Warlock I'm gonna have to say you're really bad. I don't think anything should be changed with the skill its fine how it is. Btw, woe is probably the only thing people actually get on for other than well, you. If you look at the number of people that get on for woe compared to just regular playing times its stagering.

That "wasting time" spaming WI is what 2 seconds? lol
True manhole can be pre-casted, that mean you do can avoid it, manhole can disable 3 people, white imprission 2, but in woe is more useful manhole since is trap as i know got the effect of 3x time duration.
Manhole got limitations too, for example you can use items, got range of like 4 cells and is not instant.

It could be 2 seconds it could be 20.
If manhole is pre-casted near a portal in woe how the hell are you gonna avoid it? (Think about what a pre-cast is unless you don't actually know.)
You have to understand people can still kill you in manhole as well, I don't know if you have ever been in a manhole then some SC places a lot of traps then uses shadow form on you which instantly kills you as it is almost impossible to out heal that damage.


And no I don't like ponies, you have way too many anyways.

[Wizard]

That "wasting time" spaming WI is what 2 seconds? lol
True manhole can be pre-casted, that mean you do can avoid it, manhole can disable 3 people, white imprission 2, but in woe is more useful manhole since is trap as i know got the effect of 3x time duration.
Manhole got limitations too, for example you can use items, got range of like 4 cells and is not instant.

Lol you dont like ponies.

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Do you know that this whole Thread is "Off-Topic"?

You haven't pointed any valid reason why to nerf that skill other than whining because you got trap on one...

[FiskBlack]

It could be 2 seconds it could be 20.
If manhole is pre-casted near a portal in woe how the hell are you gonna avoid it? (Think about what a pre-cast is unless you don't actually know.)
You have to understand people can still kill you in manhole as well, I don't know if you have ever been in a manhole then some SC places a lot of traps then uses shadow form on you which instantly kills you as it is almost impossible to out heal that damage.


And no I don't like ponies, you have way too many anyways.

Of course i do know how manhole works, when i said avoid mean you can walk around it and save from it, but when they spam it in a small area in woe is pretty much impossible to bypass that unless there is a RG to use Trample/Earth Drive. Shadow form is another skill of shadow chasers not manhole and it can be called combo, you know that SC can use shadow form on a player in WI too.
And i dont even know how the manhole come on this thread, im giving my points ideas and facts of how this skill(WI) can be more balanced, if you want to discuss about manhole make a thread about it or go to the specific Shadow Chaser thread.

Too bad you dont like ponies, they are awsome! :3

Do you know that this whole Thread is "Off-Topic"?

You haven't pointed any valid reason why to nerf that skill other than whining because you got trap on one...

I already mentioned to you like 3 times why should be a good idea to balance White imprission, but i think really REALLY for serious think im wasting my patience with you, you can mention why the thread is "Off-Topic" and i will be happy.

Edited by FiskBlack, 30 May 2011 - 04:18 PM.

[Wizard]

Of course i do know how manhole works, when i said avoid mean you can walk around it and save from it, but when they spam it in a small area in woe is pretty much impossible to bypass that unless there is a RG to use Trample/Earth Drive. Shadow form is another skill of shadow chasers not manhole and it can be called combo, you know that SC can use shadow form on a player in WI too.
And i dont even know how the manhole come on this thread, im giving my points ideas and facts of how this skill(WI) can be more balanced, if you want to discuss about manhole make a thread about it or go to the specific Shadow Chaser thread.

Too bad you dont like ponies, they are awsome! :3


I already mentioned to you like 3 times why should be a good idea to balance White imprission, but i think really REALLY for serious think im wasting my patience with you, you can mention why the thread is "Off-Topic" and i will be happy.

and you wonder why?

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[FiskBlack]

and you wonder why?

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I didnt know, then this is better for me.

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