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#1 Jiaaki

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:50 AM

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I plan to use bot for for sweeping Ymir market data like ragial.com. This is for my personal use. I know that any use of third party program is prohibited. But I think this should be an exception since ragial bot never get banned. I will open 2 new accounts for this just want to make sure I will not get banned coz I have to pay for these account.
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#2 Axylus

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 09:01 AM

An exception was made for Ragial only because it provides an invaluable service to all IRO players. What you want to do will only benefit yourself.
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#3 Jiaaki

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 09:05 AM

Thanks for quick reply Although I expect the answer from GM only :)
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#4 rikai

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 09:24 AM

There's no need for a GM answer.
An exception was made for Ragial as it's account is used for a very limited scope (and i believe monitored for suspicious activity as well) and provides a useful service for the entire community that enhances and simplifies the game for many people.

You want to use a bot on an account for personal benefit, which gives you an edge over other players, which, is quite obviously something that would not be acceptable and quite clearly doesn't fall under the same category as ragial.

Now, if you wanted to make something that the entire community could benefit from... That MIGHT be a differen't story. Posted Image
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 09:53 AM

Thanks for quick reply Although I expect the answer from GM only :)


Send in a ticket. Ragial etc. gained permission to use a bot so its likely you'll need to request it for those 2 accounts. They'll then monitor those accounts to make sure its not doing anything other than collect data like levelling, hunting items, buying, trading, selling etc. But I think it wouldn't be worth their time to grant permission and monitor the acitivity if it had no purpose other than individual curiosity. What are you trying to ascertain that sites like Ragial can't offer? You could ask the owner of the site for certain data or features if you want:
http://forums.irowik...ead.php?t=75424

Edited by soudou, 23 April 2011 - 09:54 AM.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 10:01 AM

^ Yup and make sure your ticket's subject is "I want to bot two accounts". Good luck dude, it's worth a try.
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#7 Jiaaki

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 06:53 PM

An exception was made for Ragial as it's account is used for a very limited scope

Oh I would love to take more limitation than Ragial.
How about my limitation is these two characters are prohibited to walk around and have to be in Prontera only?

Send in a ticket. Ragial etc. gained permission to use a bot so its likely you'll need to request it for those 2 accounts. They'll then monitor those accounts to make sure its not doing anything other than collect data like levelling, hunting items, buying, trading, selling etc. But I think it wouldn't be worth their time to grant permission and monitor the acitivity if it had no purpose other than individual curiosity. What are you trying to ascertain that sites like Ragial can't offer? You could ask the owner of the site for certain data or features if you want:
http://forums.irowik...ead.php?t=75424

Thanks! Salute you sir! And yes I humble welcome GMs to monitor my acc 24 hours if they wish.

Edited by Jiaaki, 23 April 2011 - 07:13 PM.

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#8 KingOfBabylon

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 07:17 PM

I don't think they'd allow that >>
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 07:21 PM

I don't see why the GM team should waste time monitoring 1 person. Seeing that the rest of us are kinda paying for their time to be invested in more meaningful things, and that you will not offer any community service, I really wish you are not granted permission xP.
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 07:21 PM

Oh I would love to take more limitation than Ragial.
How about my limitation is these two characters are prohibited to walk around and have to be in Prontera only?



You cannot really guarantee that as someone could easily warp the bot out of town quite easily.

In fact when you see a big lag in ragial times that is what has happened to their bot.
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#11 Jiaaki

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:37 PM

I don't see why the GM team should waste time monitoring 1 person. Seeing that the rest of us are kinda paying for their time to be invested in more meaningful things, and that you will not offer any community service, I really wish you are not granted permission xP.

Ahhh What are your benefits from wishing that Ma'am? :)
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:44 PM

Ahhh What are your benefits from wishing that Ma'am? :)

Benefits: GM's use that time to ban more bots, look through more tickets, attempt to get us new patches etc. instead of wasting time monitoring/checking up on 2 bots that are made to benefit only one player over the entire community over 3 servers...
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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:47 PM

the ragial bots used to get banned all the time untill they finally got approved some time ago. really though, there isnt much need to get approval for a bot if all it does is stand there doing nothing but collecting data. in the greater scheme of things such a bot would be indiscernible from any AFK player and would be unlikely to catch the banhammer. as long as your bot does not interact with the game world at all, there really is no harm done. the second it starts buying and/or selling items, leveling, collecting loots off the ground or performing any other interaction, you're breaking the law there man. it was by meeting these conditions that the ragial bots have recieved banhammer protection. it doesnt do anything but allow users to find what they're looking for in a more time effective manner. in addition to that, it stores relevant information in a database and presents it, freely available to the entire community. now then, i wonder, what it is exactly you have in mind for a bot that just stands there, collecting shop info, but not moving and for your own personal use? i doubt theres any good reason for this given the existing sites that cover the shopping district already, what are you really up to here? i can personally think of a good 3 or 4 bots i'd like to see added to the game but those are more along the lines of self service for items we currently have to send tickets in for to get resolved, and would be run by the GM team due to the commands required. please give details on what you have planned so that we can tell you it's already been done.
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Posted 24 April 2011 - 06:26 PM

Hi
I plan to use bot for for sweeping Ymir market data like ragial.com. This is for my personal use. I know that any use of third party program is prohibited. But I think this should be an exception since ragial bot never get banned. I will open 2 new accounts for this just want to make sure I will not get banned coz I have to pay for these account.

Short Answer NO

Long Answer NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

"ragial bot never get banned"
Can you offer actual proof that the GMs are looking the other way with Ragial's market bot, or is it a matter of the GMs haven't just notice/ found the bot yet.
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Posted 24 April 2011 - 06:32 PM

gm rely answers anyway= = so just take our word for it
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Posted 24 April 2011 - 06:57 PM

I thought these bots had been banned multiple times. But its easy to create new accs.

If you want to extend their functionality you can parse these sites' data and do w/e you want, its simpler..., if thats not enough, just learn some Perl, you don't even need permission, just recreate the accounts in the unlikely event they get banned.

Edited by Jaibuu, 24 April 2011 - 06:58 PM.

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 02:23 AM

"ragial bot never get banned"
Can you offer actual proof that the GMs are looking the other way with Ragial's market bot, or is it a matter of the GMs haven't just notice/ found the bot yet.


From a thread titled "legal bot?" regarding Ragial and Ragnastats:

We monitor what is being done with those. They let us know which ones they are and we granted them the use of those bots exclusively for gathering the market data. If they were buying items, selling items, leveling etc they would be banned.


(can only find the thread via Google Cache now because it was probably moved to Trash Can during the forum hijack)
http://webcache.goog...1&hl=en&ct=clnk

I think even if a bot were purely collecting market data it'd be pertinent to get permission, because I am sure there are certain ways 1 player could infilitrate the market for their own gain by collecting certain data that might also be bannable. If people like Dishonru from Ragial had kept all that data to himself, he'd of been like the megalomaniac of RO.

Edited by soudou, 25 April 2011 - 02:30 AM.

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#18 sukidayo

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:34 AM

when i was still actively playing, i used Yahoo Pipes to scrape ragial/ragnastats for monitoring stuff i was interested in.
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 05:57 AM

Its for your own personal use, which is the same as botting and selling zeny for $$

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 07:48 AM

the thing is do you actually think they will catch you if you do it right?
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Posted 25 April 2011 - 10:29 AM

We communicated with Ragial regarding their methods of data gathering and gave specific approval so they could offer the service to iRO as a fansite.

What does your proposal stand to do for the benefit of all of iRO, and why should an exception be made?
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Posted 30 April 2017 - 04:39 AM

We communicated with Ragial regarding their methods of data gathering and gave specific approval so they could offer the service to iRO as a fansite.

What does your proposal stand to do for the benefit of all of iRO, and why should an exception be made?

 

 

What about now? 

 

are people allowed to have their own "bots" run around like ragial to get the same advantage as the current owners have after they removed the "cheap" section from ragi.al?


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#23 Angelolol3

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Posted 30 April 2017 - 04:41 AM

What about now? 

 

are people allowed to have their own "bots" run around like ragial to get the same advantage as the current owners have after they removed the "cheap" section from ragi.al?

 

You have gone too far bro, LOOOL. You revived a 5 yr old thread bwahaha. How rustled are your jimmies right now? Love you man, stay strong out in these prontera streets. 


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Posted 30 April 2017 - 04:44 AM

Quiet Storm will be stormed hard by Cinnabomb :heh:


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#25 TheQuietStorm

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Posted 30 April 2017 - 04:46 AM

You have gone too far bro, LOOOL. You revived a 5 yr old thread bwahaha. How rustled are your jimmies right now? Love you man, stay strong out in these prontera streets. 

 

 

Not a bro!

 

And yeah i revived it as the question is back up to date again... As the ragial owners currently have the "only" (?? - wouldnt suprise me if there are more people than just the owner) who have the advantage of seeing someone selling items for cheap/below average market prices 

 

Can we use a bot with the usage like the ragial bot.. for our own "collecting" data skills, is a very valid question to ask - since iRO have tolerated the ragial bot for so long - surely he/she shouldnt be the only one allowed to do this.


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