26 replies to this topic

[Susan]

Gotta love the VIP subscription and drops penalty event.
This never ever happened before~

[SethTheSecond]

In this screenshot,you can see me picking up the blue.

WHERES THE RED SWORD!?

The database lists naught seiger's base drop rates as 90%.
With vip, and HE gum running,it'll probably roll up to something close to 99%.

THING IS, WHEN WE STILL HAD PREMIUM SUBSCRIBER MODEL, THEY WERE ALL 100%.

i don't like this vip system. i rather have my 100% instead of a 1% chance of not getting a rare piece of loot.

[Cubical]

happened the last ET party i was in 3 weeks ago so no your not the only one

[Stalkerness]

My parties tend to get worse results from Ent+NS with gum as opposed to without gum.

[naseefc]

Eh, isn't droprate supposed to be capped at 90%? How can you get it at 99% rate?

The premium servers had a customized droprate which is why you might be confused.

[Susan]

i consider this to be a huge nerf that came with the VIP system.

[Tigra]

Based on your SSes, I think you guys over-reacted just a bit.

[Heimdallr]

Porings drop jellopies at 140% rate before, but you know, there were still occasions when a jellopy didn't fall. This is because regardless of how high the number is, the game does in fact have an upper limit to what it will allow to drop. No item is 100%, it can get really really high but not 100%. This is why we do not officially put out drop rates, because of the confusion that it would cause when an item that is said to be higher rate doesn't happen.

I'm sorry your luck wasn't with you on this run.

[Susan]

My old guild beat ET once per week since it came out (rotating people). There were other guilds that did a lot of ET too. It ALWAYS dropped both swords and stuff.


And now with VIP, they start to not always drop.


My post just expresses the surprise about this change.
There's no denying that it got nerfed, or "changed" though.


And what's with the violating my thread undertitle heim??

Edited by Susan, 18 May 2011 - 01:59 PM.

[blitzrick]

Heim, she wants a hug from you. Will you give her one?

[Susan]

I only accept hugs that are made in the name of honesty and truth!

[Heimdallr]

Susan, there is no item in the game that is 100% drop.

I assure you extensive testing with super high % items still didn't yield 100% when done with a large enough sample size. I am very happy that your group has the organization and power to run ET to the top repeatedly, I also regret that you didn't get the sword to drop this time. Ymir isn't a Premium server now, VIP gives a very good approximation of the old premium benefits + giving more access and buff NPCs than before for a cheaper price as well, but the way the drops worked before is not identical to how they are now.

Can I give you that hug now?

[brokenguy]

Now it's capped at 90% no matter what, so, using gum or no gum with or without VIP with no drop penalty has the same drop rate. Happen to my guild run too!

[aurum]

you hugging people wouldn't violate some kind of probation heim?

[Susan]

Can I give you that hug now?

I am a bit short handed due to a flu bug going around

THANKS, BUT NO THANKS!

[Heimdallr]

Good point Susan...

[Kitten]

Same thing happened to us recently but it was the Flame Mant that didn't drop. -Pouts-

[Cubical]

always wash your hands kids

[Xellie]

Yeah, that happened to a party I was with recently too, but it never happened before. Obviously it used to be that items could drop at 100% but apparently they can't now.

[MrBudd]

I've had neither sword drop before. Nothing is 100%

[DrAzzy]

Prior to the VIP system, you could get 100% drop rate on premium servers (or it was something insanely close, like 99.99).

A mandragora on Ymir/premium would _always_ drop a stem, a poring would _always_ drop a jellopy, Naught Siggy would always drop both swords, and that skeleton below him would always drop everything. That's because previously, the base drop rate on premiums was increased.

Now, with the VIP system, the VIP drop bonus appears to be implemented as a gum effect - with a 90% drop rate cap.

AFAIK heim's 10,000 monster drop test hasn't been done yet, since it sounds like they've been short-handed at gravity. When that's done and posted it will lay bare the new drop mechanism, and we can all stop arguing about how drops work, and start arguing about whether changes should be made, and if so, how.


A comparison between a server with 1.5x drop rate, and a VIP player (+50% drops) on a server with 1x drop rate will show a huge difference - you don't need 10,000 monsters to see the difference either. 500 monsters (about what you can kill and loot in a single shot without getting DC'ed when you greed the loot) would make the difference very obvious.


I'm not sure there's a good fix for this, though. In the case of the ET MVPs, the drop rate could simply be set to 100% instead of 90%, but because of the drop level penalty, i'm not sure that it wouldn't get adjusted to less than 100%, and then all the VIP's and Gum's in the world couldn't get it back above 90, because they'd be capping. Depends on how that math is handled internally.

Personally, pre-renewal, it was good that the items in ET on premium server had 100% drop rates, seeing as ET was pretty damned hard, and took a full dozen people nearly 4 hours. In renewal, where you can rambo it with half a party and half a bottle of vodka (ie, nobody playing at their prime) and be done before the 3 hour mark, i don't see a problem in there being a chance of not getting everything.

[Viri]

We did it in 2 hours 15 minutes with like level 120 characters killing and a 150 sura with a gtb available tanking all the tougher stuff. Like 2 gx's and stuff that didn't matter on harder floors. ET is a joke now roflllll

[Ignapp]

Last 2 times we killed Naght Sieger (VIP+NO DROP PENALTY EVENT+HEGUM = 280%?) we just got one sword, obiously the blue one lol. Hope it makes you feel better =)

[DarkFrame]

Maybe we should add more floor to ET. (Maybe make it 150 floors same as our lv) ><
It would be much more fun =D

like a floor filled with all MVPs O.o

[Majeh]

cleared ET in 1 hr ~_~ but its annoying we had multiple times where both swords didnt drop