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#1 Puppet

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 03:56 PM

Why is it Claws feel way slower the dual sword despite attack speed being 1.0 on both?

Also Spinning edge what is max lvl we can get? is it 4?
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 03:59 PM

because subconsciously you want to take swords instead of claws.

and yea lvl 4 is max
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 04:03 PM

no good reason for claw now in s2
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 04:28 PM

Be a claw sin just to be different! :)
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 04:33 PM

no it not my imagination they look and feel way slower anyway,

Other question why is Crits in the same monster some time do 50 some times 288 other times 588 hell even normal attacks are like that

Edited by Puppet, 09 July 2011 - 05:00 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 03:04 AM

no it not my imagination they look and feel way slower anyway,

Other question why is Crits in the same monster some time do 50 some times 288 other times 588 hell even normal attacks are like that


If you miss but crit with AA you do really low damage.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 07:31 AM

Why is it Claws feel way slower the dual sword despite attack speed being 1.0 on both?


they feel slower because when you crit with claws, you have a diffrent type of animation, but with duals, you have the same type of animation each time
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 07:58 AM

no it not my imagination they look and feel way slower anyway,

Other question why is Crits in the same monster some time do 50 some times 288 other times 588 hell even normal attacks are like that


Low damage on AA is the equivalent of missing with AA
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 09:55 AM

they feel slower because when you crit with claws, you have a diffrent type of animation, but with duals, you have the same type of animation each time


guess that explain why they look slower


Low damage on AA is the equivalent of missing with AA


I was wonder why I never miss on AA so, which make lil sense to me seeing SKills actual can miss

Damage wise which is better +10 Shout of Faceless Man or the 65 TB Dual
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 10:02 AM

65 TB

http://requiem-wiki....iki/Dual_Swords
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 10:15 AM

Comparing L65 Theme weapons...

Plusses for claws
- lower attack speed means less points in Quick Attack for AA builds
- 1.16% more crit
- allegedly more damage on skills (similar to swords - haven't tested this)

Plusses for swords
- 53 more damage (average value)

I'm planning on using claws for mine
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 10:38 AM

Comparing L65 Theme weapons...

Plusses for claws
- lower attack speed means less points in Quick Attack for AA builds
- 1.16% more crit
- allegedly more damage on skills (similar to swords - haven't tested this)
Plusses for swords
- 53 more damage (average value)

I'm planning on using claws for mine


I tested this with lvl 25 claws/duals, +12 jewelry, tb ornament and claws hit with ~10% more damage on skills. But with end game claws/duals duals probably would do more on skills cos that 10% wont make up for lack of base damage.

Edited by Hugh, 10 July 2011 - 10:39 AM.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:31 AM

65 TB

http://requiem-wiki....iki/Dual_Swords


i saw that but i wonder if the extra str and +40 min +50 max attack would make up for the attack power diffrence or not
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:41 AM

in pvp and raids CAD >>>> base dmg or crit %(if high % already) = claws suck cause no cad on them
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:27 PM

i saw that but i wonder if the extra str and +40 min +50 max attack would make up for the attack power diffrence or not


Nah doesnt make up the damage, DS weapons are kind of pointless since they made tb stuff way too easy to get.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:58 PM

cool that solves my problem then i get the tb one instead, instead of both
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 01:16 PM

I tested this with lvl 25 claws/duals, +12 jewelry, tb ornament and claws hit with ~10% more damage on skills. But with end game claws/duals duals probably would do more on skills cos that 10% wont make up for lack of base damage.


Yea some rough mumbers on my tiny rogue - both with +0 L25 swords and claws, both 13 STR. Claw 30-37 damage. Sword 33-46.

With Sword Aura of Darkness L1 (+10 damage)
Swords hitting 72~77 x2
Claws hitting 79~83 x2

Definitely a bonus on them.
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Posted 10 July 2011 - 01:52 PM

Yea some rough mumbers on my tiny rogue - both with +0 L25 swords and claws, both 13 STR. Claw 30-37 damage. Sword 33-46.

With Sword Aura of Darkness L1 (+10 damage)
Swords hitting 72~77 x2
Claws hitting 79~83 x2

Definitely a bonus on them.


Similar results to me, really need to test with high lvl duals/claws though :)
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Posted 11 July 2011 - 03:34 PM

Ok so I got the 65 TB dual Swords and went to Plancy PD to poke the mini golems I did crits of like 831 max, and then switch back to the +10 Claws of Ancient Weapon and they do 1.3 k crits, How exaclty is that possible, when the stats are way better on the Dual swords including the Additional Crit and skill damage, Hell the normal attacks do more damage too

Edited by Puppet, 11 July 2011 - 03:38 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 03:39 PM

Ok so I got the 65 TB dual Swords and went to Plancy PD to poke the mini golems I did crits of like 831 max, and then switch back to the +10 Claws of Ancient Weapon and they do 1.3 k crits, How exaclty is that possible, when the stats are way better on the Dual swords including the Additional Crit and skill damage, Hell the normal attacks do more damage too

probably:
double the 831. thats one of 2 swings of the duals

theme weapons dmg is similar to biska weapons and should be much better then 65 dungeon weapons (if i remember correctly)

Edited by MakoXD, 11 July 2011 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 03:43 PM

probably:
double the 831. thats one of 2 swings of the duals

theme weapons dmg is similar to biska weapons and should be much better then 65 dungeon weapons (if i remember correctly)



+10 Claw of Ancient Weapon

TB 65 Dual Claw

what you mean both claws and dual sword have 2 swing and the claws have more normal damage and crit damage then the TB 65 that supposed to be better. Cause other then lose 3% physical crit and 25 str this make no sense

Edited by Puppet, 11 July 2011 - 03:55 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2011 - 03:58 PM

Claws is bugged you do more damage with skills but the bug part is the AA swing, at times they will do 1 big hit rather than 2 smaller hits. That 1300 crit you saw would in fact be 1300/2 compared to your duals 831 x 2
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Posted 11 July 2011 - 04:08 PM

Claws is bugged you do more damage with skills but the bug part is the AA swing, at times they will do 1 big hit rather than 2 smaller hits. That 1300 crit you saw would in fact be 1300/2 compared to your duals 831 x 2


its is? cause i could swore I did 1.3k with one swing and then 1.3k on the next swing to, or is the animation and damage display on the claws broke in general

Edited by Puppet, 11 July 2011 - 04:08 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 04:36 PM

As I said its bugged :-)
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 05:34 PM

do i even want to know how long they have been buged? lmao
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