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[surferboy]

The previous top tier was RG, RK, Sura, and Gen. Without testing the new changes in gameplay, it would be very difficult to know for sure where the balance of power is going to be redistributed. But based on what we've seen from the stickied thread, how do you think that the gameplay will shift?

Edited by surferboy, 10 July 2011 - 09:03 PM.

[Haro]

What "new class tiers?" Are you talking about the 2nd Job class for Ninja and Gunslingers?

[Quazera]

Still the same because there's nothing there to compete with them.

BTW, haro~ i love your DP~ so cute:D

[surferboy]

i'll edit my OP to see if i can articulate myself better. when i use the word tier, i mean it as a vehicle with which to rank the classes in terms of efficiency.
this link that i found on the boards a little while ago (hilariously accurate) is sort of what i'm talking about when i ask the question; will anything change?

Edited by surferboy, 11 July 2011 - 10:58 AM.

[Alca]

Probably something like this(all in order)


Top Tier :
Sura
Rune Knight
Mechanic
Genetic
Shadow Chaser

Mid Tier :
Sorcerer
Arch Bishop
Maestro
Wanderer
Royal Guard
Warlock
Guillotine Cross

lol Tier :
Ranger(Mid tier after 2nd round of balance patch)
Expanded Classes

[Viri]

Linkers are pretty boss in pvp. Kaite and kaupe are OP as hell

[GuardianTK]

The day the new Linker class comes out is the day you'll see some guild Recallers made up of them. I mean...Being able to bypass precasts by a few simple Leaps past walls is pretty epic. The other thing some people don't seem to remember is that they can't be Dispelled either.

[LordVader]

Probably something like this(all in order)


Top Tier :
Sura
Rune Knight
Mechanic
Genetic
Shadow Chaser

Mid Tier :
Sorcerer
Arch Bishop
Maestro
Wanderer
Royal Guard
Warlock
Guillotine Cross

lol Tier :
Ranger(Mid tier after 2nd round of balance patch)
Expanded Classes

Perfect ranking imo. I feel the ranks are like this now and will stay this way after the changes.

On a side note, I never really understood all the people complaining about RG walking to 150 using reflect damage. It has to be one of the slowest methods of leveling I have seen with a complicated and tedious setup of gears and chars. Rangers on the other hand buy a cheap 4x hunter fly main gauche and go straight to 150 and never have to stop for buffs or spend for really xpensive gears to setup. I see RG's lvling with RD in abyss, laugh to myself kill a mob or two and see them still struggling to mob so they can keep their sp up and the mob slowly still dying. That skill is just fine the way it is.

The day the new Linker class comes out is the day you'll see some guild Recallers made up of them. I mean...Being able to bypass precasts by a few simple Leaps past walls is pretty epic. The other thing some people don't seem to remember is that they can't be Dispelled either.

Something else some people may not seem to remember is that linkers have (or atleast used to have, don't know if it's been changed with renewal) a recall cast time twice that of any other class.

[Viri]

If my linker could go to 150 right now even with no other skills or bonuses other than a better hp/sp mod I'd main that over sura. Rofl.

[espeon]

Something else some people may not seem to remember is that linkers have (or atleast used to have, don't know if it's been changed with renewal) a recall cast time twice that of any other class.

Actually, it's any Taekwon class that invests points into the Leap skill.

[Ralis]

Vader is right... Reflect leveling is terrible. It's effortless, but the effort of setting it up and getting the gear is tedious.

Honestly, I regret not getting Overbrand sooner. Overbrand works far better for faster and more effecient leveling. I can gather and kill two mobs in Bio2 in the time it takes some other RG to reflect one mob. @@

Once the bug is fixed with EB I don't see as many people complaining about RGs being overpowered.

[Cubical]

Ive told people when 3rd classes came out that RD was just an ez method of getting levels. I never said it was the fastest. OB requires some mental work because you really gotta understand how to position it but once you get the hang of how OB works its awesome. The only hurtle with OB is you need proper spears for it since spears weapon atk/card/element/endows go through OB so its pretty necessary to have the right tools for where to level at.

Edited by Cubical, 11 July 2011 - 07:52 PM.

[SirDouglas]

The previous top tier was RG, RK, Sura, and Gen. Without testing the new changes in gameplay, it would be very difficult to know for sure where the balance of power is going to be redistributed. But based on what we've seen from the stickied thread, how do you think that the gameplay will shift?

rk not.

Shura, genetic, rg, shadow chaser.

[Viri]

I'm more afraid of a good wanderer/maestro than a chaser most of the time rofl.

[SirDillhole]

lol? rune knights are definitely top tier. maybe the dragon breathones with tao, bryn, megingjard, battle chant and song of lutie. but theres only 3-4 of them per server

As you said, there are only 3-4 of them, if not even less... Otherwise without those, their ... I usually break their weapon in one to two Acid Bombs and they can't do anything else, other than Dragon Breath which most can get away from the casting circle if they're aware of it being cast. I'm just saying that RKs can be "disabled" if you have the right skills, but nonetheless they're strong but has a lot of handicaps when you use the correct skills, so I would put them below Shadow Chasers.

[cybernetic]

Why does everyone forget about storm blast?

Edited by cybernetic, 11 July 2011 - 09:11 PM.

[Ralis]

I think it's selective amnesia.

[SirDouglas]

Why does everyone forget about storm blast.

weak and expensive. Need god itens,striking, str and int genetic food, high upgrade kvm weapon to cause good damage.I said this in another topic.

[Ralis]

...Expensive? Am I missing something here?

[GuardianTK]

Something else some people may not seem to remember is that linkers have (or atleast used to have, don't know if it's been changed with renewal) a recall cast time twice that of any other class.

Are you sure you aren't mixing this up with a TKM instead of a Linker? I've never seen a Linker recaller before, but I have seen a single TKM recaller long ago. I never took notice of their recall timer though.

I could try testing it out sometime for kicks.

[LordVader]

Are you sure you aren't mixing this up with a TKM instead of a Linker? I've never seen a Linker recaller before, but I have seen a single TKM recaller long ago. I never took notice of their recall timer though.

I could try testing it out sometime for kicks.

I have a linker recaller pre-renewal and post, definitely pre-renewal my linker caller with leap had double the cast time of other callers. In renewal I haven't really tested it as after I saw the incredible cast pre-renewal I just dropped the idea.

[SirDouglas]

...Expensive? Am I missing something here?

This is called amnesia.

Edited by SirDouglas, 11 July 2011 - 11:07 PM.

[Ralis]

As I recall, the Rune for Storm Blast takes a Light Granule, Tangled Chain and Dragon Canine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could go hunt the materials needed myself and make about 500 of them in around an hour.

[cybernetic]

As I recall, the Rune for Storm Blast takes a Light Granule, Tangled Chain and Dragon Canine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could go hunt the materials needed myself and make about 500 of them in around an hour.

Light granule, tangled chain, dragon canine, elder branch

2000 + 8000+ 600 + 21000 = 31,600z per chance to make a storm blast rune. You can make 0~3 each attempt.

Unless you've only been playing the game for <1 week, it's incredibly affordable.

[Ralis]

Poor Gens spend way more.