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#51 Agamotto

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:43 AM

+0 Uncursed is 1.3k HP.
+0 Perfect is 440 HP.

Open your eyes maybe? or do u need some1 to do the math for you?

Posted Image 815 HP 110 CON
Posted Image 1,300 HP 105 Base CON

85 Perfect Duals assuming max stats on compound = 69 CON(main attribute)+ 53 CON(max random stat)+ 440HP(max random stat) +440 HP(static stat) = 880HP 122 Base CON
Looks a little bit off or devs intended a lower HP trade-off for more damage & elec+fire resist more useful than curse+light resist I guess :waddle:
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#52 Zuru

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 12:12 PM

No need to be aggressive.

1st, as far as we know, those arnt Raid items, so, its logical that are a little less powerful. And 2nd 440 is the fixed HP bonus, you must add to that the "Random Stat" that can be HP (a max of 440). 3rd, you can pick the main stat you want, that can be Con.

Yes yes, is still lower, but again, those arent raid items and also have higher damage.

This^

These arent raid sets. They are just common drops that u can get from mobs & whatnots. Tho because of this I dunno why they are making the compounding of it so difficult. Really dont understand how their brains work.

Im glad the new 85s arent stronger then 79 weapons. They are the best weapons in game & reflect that by how difficult they are to get & uncurse. 85s will be x100 easier to get & compound(hopefully) then 79s are.

Edited by Zuru, 30 September 2011 - 12:14 PM.

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#53 Longhorns

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 02:41 PM

only con/scad or else i wont change to pen-is helm.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 02:41 PM

Why all melee have same armor value? Hunter(Leather Armor) having same def on armor as a Commander(Plate Armor)? :waddle:

And why a STR/DEX Set gives SCAD bonus? :D


I can't just believe that the Sin class will hit lvl 85 while using a lvl 67 armor...Only in Requiem >.<
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 02:45 PM

Why all melee have same armor value? Hunter(Leather Armor) having same def on armor as a Commander(Plate Armor)? :waddle:

And why a STR/DEX Set gives SCAD bonus? :D


I can't just believe that the Sin class will hit lvl 85 while using a lvl 67 armor...Only in Requiem >.<



300 CAD buff maybe?
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 02:46 PM

Why all melee have same armor value? Hunter(Leather Armor) having same def on armor as a Commander(Plate Armor)? :waddle:

And why a STR/DEX Set gives SCAD bonus? :D


I can't just believe that the Sin class will hit lvl 85 while using a lvl 67 armor...Only in Requiem >.<



just imagine what would happen if nipple wrecked and i got a useful 72/79/85 set :S
at this rate, even casters will have the same defense as I do, without defense enchants...and I have 2348 long/short

reso is close but not worth the change
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 02:47 PM

300 CAD buff maybe?


that lasts for 30 seconds...
give us weapon of god that lasts for 30 minutes or something
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 03:18 PM

300 CAD buff maybe?

ranger and other melee got that too ?
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 04:04 PM

if the sets will drop from mobs and weapons as well is ok...not bad but the xeons will drop mostly hard ...thats 100% and i bet there will be no compound insurance so if u fail compound u can imagine how the item dissapears...
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 05:21 PM

ranger and other melee got that too ?


Ofc, Sins are all about sharing party buffs now. 300 CAD for everyone! :waddle:
Too bad I'm a SR ;-;

just imagine what would happen if nipple wrecked and i got a useful 72/79/85 set :S
at this rate, even casters will have the same defense as I do, without defense enchants...and I have 2348 long/short

reso is close but not worth the change


What would happen is that Sins could get useful Carus armor, like every other class in the game...
Also, since sins get hit more often by pew pew, it is better to use RH set for that Elec resistance...Wind Resistance is lame.


I seriously wonder HOW they figured that all melees gotta have the same def...Here's a comparison of lvl 79 and 85 uppers by class:

Rogue/Hunter: 125 --> 302 (177 Def increase)
Warrior: 175 --> 302 (127 Def increase)
Defender : 251 --> 302 (51 Def increase)
Templar/Shaman/Soul Hunter/Battle Magician: 100 --> 121 (21 Def Increase)


I hope this puts in perspective how much def they are giving to melees classes, rogues get almost tripled defense, but it's not like many rogues will use a SCAD set, right? :D

Edited by SethRoker, 30 September 2011 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:05 PM

Ofc, Sins are all about sharing party buffs now. 300 CAD for everyone! :waddle:
Too bad I'm a SR ;-;



What would happen is that Sins could get useful Carus armor, like every other class in the game...
Also, since sins get hit more often by pew pew, it is better to use RH set for that Elec resistance...Wind Resistance is lame.


I seriously wonder HOW they figured that all melees gotta have the same def...Here's a comparison of lvl 79 and 85 uppers by class:

Rogue/Hunter: 125 --> 302 (177 Def increase)
Warrior: 175 --> 302 (127 Def increase)
Defender : 251 --> 302 (51 Def increase)
Templar/Shaman/Soul Hunter/Battle Magician: 100 --> 121 (21 Def Increase)


I hope this puts in perspective how much def they are giving to melees classes, rogues get almost tripled defense, but it's not like many rogues will use a SCAD set, right? :D


Right!

We stick with our rare set with minimal defense while everyone else gets a large boost.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:43 PM

u dont have to stay with rh...u can go reso if u want
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:49 PM

u dont have to stay with rh...u can go reso if u want


STR>DEX
elec res>wind res

no thanks...
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:53 PM

yes wind resist is not the best true....but str>dex...u take the str for the cad and i believe reso gives lil more cad then rh even without the str.

also comes with basic 6% or so crit which is like 12 enchant slots in ur jewels u can turn into cad and not to mention the dex itself gives u more cad and ull get alot more def and 1 more enchant slot in each part...so if the lil raw dmg ull lose on str which is not that much rly bothers u...it still dont mean that sins are forced to stay with rh.

Edited by netsniper, 30 September 2011 - 07:54 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:58 PM

Posted Image [Exekyon Controlled Element Xeon]

Posted Image [Core of Hell Iron]

Posted Image [Exekyon Element [CON] Xeon]

Posted Image [Exekyon Element [STR] Xeon]

Posted Image [Exekyon Element [DEX] Xeon]

Posted Image [Exekyon Element [MND] Xeon]

Posted Image [Exekyon Element [INT] Xeon]

Posted Image [Noxyon Turan Crystal]

Posted Image [Noxyon Bartuk Crystal]

Posted Image [Noxyon Kruxena Crystal]

Posted Image [Noxyon Xenoa Crystal]

Edited by Loyalty1, 30 September 2011 - 07:59 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 08:00 PM

Mobs or bosses?


I'm assuming both, which i hope is the case for once, that way instead of trying to get a raid party together a group could go instead, or a duo, etc.

Edited by Determined, 30 September 2011 - 08:10 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 08:11 PM

yes wind resist is not the best true....but str>dex...u take the str for the cad and i believe reso gives lil more cad then rh even without the str.

also comes with basic 6% or so crit which is like 12 enchant slots in ur jewels u can turn into cad and not to mention the dex itself gives u more cad and ull get alot more def and 1 more enchant slot in each part...so if the lil raw dmg ull lose on str which is not that much rly bothers u...it still dont mean that sins are forced to stay with rh.


Yes, I know that; but the elec res is crucial. Survivability over a bit of CAD for me any day.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 08:14 PM

im sure its possible to balance still...point was that sins arent forced to stay with RH same as SRs arent or any other class
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:12 PM

yes wind resist is not the best true....but str>dex...u take the str for the cad and i believe reso gives lil more cad then rh even without the str.

also comes with basic 6% or so crit which is like 12 enchant slots in ur jewels u can turn into cad and not to mention the dex itself gives u more cad and ull get alot more def and 1 more enchant slot in each part...so if the lil raw dmg ull lose on str which is not that much rly bothers u...it still dont mean that sins are forced to stay with rh.


Dex does not give CAD.

Let me throw some numbers here:
Max CAD calculating Str bonus at +30:
RH s2: 515
Resolute s2: 561 (46 more CAD)

Defense:
RH s2: 868
Resolute s2: 1351 (483 more Defense)

Then there is the critical %/lr damage that is given by 511 dex at +30 gives or the attack bonus from 498 strength, which is actually better for sins.

While a rogue using RH and Critical ball type I (fire/water/light) only needs to worry on enchanting his Curse resistance(35 slots for capped resistance), a Resolute wearing one have to enchant 2 resistances highly (Elec and Curse, total of 70 enchant slots) or wear a resistance accessory that reduces the critical rate/cad by alot when compared to ball(This is what I do atm).

Example:
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Lets face it, Wind resistance is useless and giving it to half of lvl 72 sets is beyond stupid..So those are my stats using ball, means I can get 3~4 shotted by Defilers/Tempest around unless I switch to resistance accessory while losing 22% critical chance, 150 cad and the likes.

So if you don't care for resistance Resolute is the best, otherwise keep to RH. For sins, that get hit by practically everyone once they are out of stealth....Keep RH for best balance.

Edited by SethRoker, 30 September 2011 - 09:31 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:22 PM

u so poor >.<
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:27 PM

u so poor >.<


Edited. I hope it is easier for you to focus on the subject now, thanks.

Edited by SethRoker, 30 September 2011 - 09:28 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:29 PM

lol.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:43 PM

I am not a "Pro" Sin or SR but Edge...
That set you have Lv 67 is still the best for the Sin class, and even it does consumes less and more cheaper xeons to reinforce, and more easy to raid in RH...
You have +30 and you will still pwn in battlefields, now they will give you +300 CAD buff, maybe not much duration but thats is a nice boost
You want another set that will just waste more $$$ to make it +30?
Tbh, i dont see the problem xD Be happy that you can +30 that set, i can barely +20 my poor foc set rofl
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 09:55 PM

I am not a "Pro" Sin or SR but Edge...
That set you have Lv 67 is still the best for the Sin class, and even it does consumes less and more cheaper xeons to reinforce, and more easy to raid in RH...
You have +30 and you will still pwn in battlefields, now they will give you +300 CAD buff, maybe not much duration but thats is a nice boost
You want another set that will just waste more $$$ to make it +30?
Tbh, i dont see the problem xD Be happy that you can +30 that set, i can barely +20 my poor foc set rofl


He was prolly waiting for new content, and this is what he got..Nothing new except weapon xD
Pretty much like any other rogue ingame, it's sad to say but Rogue current best armor gives same/lower def than a mage lvl 72 armor, not to mention we don't get any Con boost.

On to the CAD subject, I think it is a good party buff to help in FoC matchs against people on capped def (anyone who got Protector buff, or rad+alosa nowadays...), also I hope it makes sin a more desirable class in raid(big boost on melee dps, even though duration is short). SR got a lame thing though :waddle:
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Posted 01 October 2011 - 12:38 AM

yes wind resist is not the best true....but str>dex...u take the str for the cad and i believe reso gives lil more cad then rh even without the str.

also comes with basic 6% or so crit which is like 12 enchant slots in ur jewels u can turn into cad and not to mention the dex itself gives u more cad and ull get alot more def and 1 more enchant slot in each part...so if the lil raw dmg ull lose on str which is not that much rly bothers u...it still dont mean that sins are forced to stay with rh.


its about playing smart. full +30 rh and reso shoulders gives 605 cad (taking into account cad and str bonuses), full reso +30 gives 557 cad. so for all the resources u blow on making +30 reso set not only do u lose maxed elec resistance but also some cad and 445 str (468-23). and what do u gain? about 200 defense.

i don't see the point in enchanting cad to balance off the 6% or so crit gained. it's like buying an overpriced pizza with nothing more than extra pickles but u hate pickles anyway :waddle:

also take into account bonuses (pet, guild, 2/30 day thingy yada yada) affecting stats. the difference in str and cad/dmg at the end of the day is preety substantial. and we are talking about best stats possible. how many people can afford to make +30 carus sets?

tldr; telling a sin to go for full dex set is like telling a tempest to go full mnd for some retarded scc%. also: apparently sin is most op class since the world began and for that reason they should use a 67 set at level 85. serious.

Edited by nippleripper, 01 October 2011 - 01:46 AM.

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