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[Mwrip]

My wiz used to be my main, but it appears our role in the party now is "we couldn't fill all 12 slots without you, and you're very slightly better than an empty slot, as long as it's a TI quest, and you stay out of our way". This thread is pretty much all people saying exactly that.

Our DPS basically just barely returns to its pre-Renewal (99) levels, while the melee all AoE kill at 5-10x the rate depending on class.
In spite of this, we still have the worst HP in the game, and we can't use a shield anymore either, making us even easier to kill than in the past.
Is our only value slowing monsters that melee are going to chew through in 3 seconds anyway? I can't see that actually making a significant difference.

I think we just have to accept it. RO is a meleer's game now - they do everything. The days of party roles are over.

[Mefistofeles]

My wiz used to be my main, but it appears our role in the party now is "we couldn't fill all 12 slots without you, and you're very slightly better than an empty slot, as long as it's a TI quest, and you stay out of our way". This thread is pretty much all people saying exactly that.

Our DPS basically just barely returns to its pre-Renewal (99) levels, while the melee all AoE kill at 5-10x the rate depending on class.
In spite of this, we still have the worst HP in the game, and we can't use a shield anymore either, making us even easier to kill than in the past.
Is our only value slowing monsters that melee are going to chew through in 3 seconds anyway? I can't see that actually making a significant difference.

I think we just have to accept it. RO is a meleer's game now - they do everything. The days of party roles are over.

while tofu its proud doing 40k with varetyr spear against a poring

[Tofu]

lol, while a 175k Psychic wave is going on at the exact same time against a certain mvp that makes me millions in about 3 minutes. Vareytr's spear is 40k every 2 seconds, and it is instant cast. Stack that properly with the other spells, and the damage per second is on par with gfist (without godlies)

Also, mdef means against most everything, unless the mvp has in the 250+ mdef range. Anything lower, and a high + thorn staff takes care of it.

[Mefistofeles]

lol, while a 175k Psychic wave is going on at the exact same time against a certain mvp that makes me millions in about 3 minutes. Vareytr's spear is 40k every 2 seconds, and it is instant cast. Stack that properly with the other spells, and the damage per second is on par with gfist (without godlies)

Also, mdef means against most everything, unless the mvp has in the 250+ mdef range. Anything lower, and a high + thorn staff takes care of it.

this guy its drugg

can you please kindly post a video by you doing those damages against a mvp?

at least have you ever seen a wizard/high wizard leveling with STORM GUST? DO YOU REALIZE HOW FKED UP ARE THE MAGICAL USERS? PATHETICS CAST TIMES, PATHETIC DAMAGES, PATHETIC HP POOL

Edited by Mefistofeles, 03 November 2011 - 05:28 PM.

[Mwrip]

lol, while a 175k Psychic wave is going on at the exact same time against a certain mvp that makes me millions in about 3 minutes. Vareytr's spear is 40k every 2 seconds, and it is instant cast. Stack that properly with the other spells, and the damage per second is on par with gfist (without godlies)

Also, mdef means against most everything, unless the mvp has in the 250+ mdef range. Anything lower, and a high + thorn staff takes care of it.

Sorcs aren't screwed like Locks, because they realized the new MATK formula is neutered to hell and back when they made the 3-2s, so they gave their spells a custom int-based formula.

No such luck for Locks. Not a single spell on their entire list does this, it's all reliant on neutered MATK.

[Tofu]

at least have you ever seen a wizard/high wizard leveling with STORM GUST? DO YOU REALIZE HOW FKED UP ARE THE MAGICAL USERS? PATHETICS CAST TIMES, PATHETIC DAMAGES, PATHETIC HP POOL

Yes I have, and it sucks, horribly. Couldn't stand trying to level my Hwiz to 99/70, because theres really no good way to level it outside of leeching. I'm not talking about non 3rd jobs though. That'd be like comparing a champ to a sura. At least HWiz can frost nova mob things. Champs have no AoEs outside of linked raging thrust.

[Zinja]

Sorc have a bit higher hp mod than warlocks.

[Zinja]

i find A properly Lexed TV does quick work of a KK.