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[Xellie]

Yeah, unless you spam adoramus level 10 at the same time as using ME on the ghost ones, they just spam 9999 heals on themselves. Even then it takes a while, and Xellie already mentioned she's only got level 1 Ado on that one character, if I read correctly. There is one way to deal with this, but it makes leveling a lot more complicated than it should be. The ghost incarnations ALWAYS heal other damaged enemies near them first, so if you get a group together that you can hit with ME, you can kill the ghosts simply because they're focused on the other monsters instead of themselves. But again, that's a major pain for normal leveling, and considering you can kill wayyyyy more monsters at a time in NI for comparable exp per kill =\

Nah I got level 10. I actually haven't tried it on THAT AB. My concerns were with the 142 one that doesn't have ado. I guess the ado one will be fine in DG. Although somewhat inefficent and expensive!

humm o.o I'll try it later. I want to be able to hunt there for diab rings anyway.

Any self respecting AB that wants to hybridize into support probably won't have adoramus. =/ It's too much of a skill point eater.

Edited by Xellie, 07 December 2011 - 03:44 PM.

[pikachiquita5]

Nah I got level 10. I actually haven't tried it on THAT AB. My concerns were with the 142 one that doesn't have ado. I guess the ado one will be fine in DG. Although somewhat inefficent and expensive!

humm o.o I'll try it later. I want to be able to hunt there for diab rings anyway.

Any self respecting AB that wants to hybridize into support probably won't have adoramus. =/ It's too much of a skill point eater.

Aaaaaaannnnd that would be me! *waves at Xellie* You and Kuropi helped me decide that my current noob ME AB is not going to have adoramus....I want to use it to party too much.

HOWEVER, I would like to make one that is all offensive some day....guess I better read up on that NI access quest =P

[Kuropi]

Nah I got level 10. I actually haven't tried it on THAT AB. My concerns were with the 142 one that doesn't have ado. I guess the ado one will be fine in DG. Although somewhat inefficent and expensive!

humm o.o I'll try it later. I want to be able to hunt there for diab rings anyway.

Any self respecting AB that wants to hybridize into support probably won't have adoramus. =/ It's too much of a skill point eater.

Aaaaaaannnnd that would be me! *waves at Xellie* You and Kuropi helped me decide that my current noob ME AB is not going to have adoramus....I want to use it to party too much.

HOWEVER, I would like to make one that is all offensive some day....guess I better read up on that NI access quest =P

HEY I am a self-respecting AB that does support and has Adoramus!! psh. You don't HAVE to have sarcrament to party. Some of my parties have actually been impressed that I don't need somebody to come save my ass every time the littlest thing comes over to poke at me :3

[pikachiquita5]

HEY I am a self-respecting AB that does support and has Adoramus!! psh. You don't HAVE to have sarcrament to party. Some of my parties have actually been impressed that I don't need somebody to come save my ass every time the littlest thing comes over to poke at me :3

Yeah, you could do without Sacrament...but I like it anyway =P It's beneficial for almost everyone, so I like throwing it around. But someday! I'll have something with Adoramus so I may smite stuff with my AB that isn't undead/demon. As it is, I'm starting to feel like churning out more priestly people, so it'll definitely be happening at some point.

EDIT: Do you have party skills as well? You probably answered me before, I'd have to go and dig through my thread again.

Edited by pikachiquita5, 07 December 2011 - 06:03 PM.

[Hinkypunk]

I 150ed 2 chars tonight. I don't play very often and I have a decent MMO/work/RL balance. I play about 1 week a month for just a couple hours at a time. When there's a good turn in event with gramps, I get in on it and use it every day. 10~15 mins a day isn't much commitment, right?

Great I'm going toget KSed every 5 seconds because I'm out of range (high end) and there isn'tanywhere else for an ME AB to solo at this level.

Time to take a week off.

Anyway, this is aserious problem with TIs, especially when you fill it with crappy people who a/can't play and b/ killsteal everyone they wing onto screen with.

Worse on a map that is the only levelling option for a specific class.

Why should I have to wait a week to play my character? I know exactly what will happen, I'll go play starcraft and I won't come back to RO for another month or so (your loss heim!), my ET parties will-_- at me, and I'll just be like "well... I was going to 150 my AB so we could do ET but.... sorry I'm going to be too busy next week anyway"

And seriously any other class, I wouldn't complain, but like I said, an ME priest has no other place to level. That's a big f you to renewal and it's level limiting.

Why not go ET on one of your other 150 ABs?

Please point me to a map for a level 142 AB to ME level on.

Abbey level two is pretty efficient even at high levels iirc--especially since everyone will be at Abbey level three? Maybe not as fast as a non triple-spawn level three with +5000 Divine Cross and gods, but try fwing bombing there and see how it goes...that is if you were really even planning to do any serious leveling on one of your ME ABs other than getting Forum Soapboxing to level 10. lol.

Serial KSing and mobbing is a problem on all TI maps and it is not just me that is affected by it, but as all other classes who don't want to sit and wait for stupid parties to form, can just move.

Perhaps not KS'ing, but Isn't the point of playing ME Priest/HP/AB to mob your pants off and watch the satisfying yellow and white damage numbers stream across your monitor as the zombie and demon menace goes *splat* *splat* *splat*? I guess I was doing it wrong.

And, ultimately, you're the vocal minority here and don't own the map. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one [who want a map all to themselves for 10 min/night]" and all that.

[lainee]

Xellie, it's just one single week - it's not the end of the world for leveling there. Besides, due to the increased spawn, just create a fake share party and fwing ME bomb the map. If I had access to a missy carded head gear, I could be carpeting the entire map with MEs wing, rinse, repeat.

Edited by lainee, 07 December 2011 - 06:18 PM.

[Xellie]

If only I had a missy gear.

And besides, @ omg use another AB, it's on another account because I let friends use my accounts, it doesn't have job levels... thats why I need to level olololol.

It's not as big of a deal as it may seem that I'm making it, ultimately, I'm extremely pissed off at the noobs who don't grasp the concept between wanting to actually play... and just getting exp.



It doesn't change the problem, even if it is temporary. It's opened my eyes to a huge problem with the TI system; in that 140+ supports really can only level every other week. How am I the only person that is seeing this as a problem?

Why am I the only person who is fed up of being KSed on solo chars every time there's a TI on one of those maps?

The AB/NI thing is just the straw that broke the camels back, I've been hating on this behaviour for a while, and here on the forums I have funny newbies trying to convince me that I should be playing in that party style because I hate it. Which makes me not want to party / lazy etc. Because I am upset that their way of playing is crapping all over my way of playing, if I protest I'm told it's ok for them to have a problem with how I play, but not vice versa?

I never once said that the TI should be removed. I never once said it shouldn't be there. All I said was that it was poorly thought out. And it shows me there's an issue that needs solving, or two.

First of all TI play due to the bad manner of the parties directly impacts those who don't want to take part / aren't in range.
Secondly the FS thing.... If there's no alternatives then we're forced to play in a style that is unlikable.

So alternatives are needed, not just for ME priests but all classes.

( Lucky for me, I one shot necros. I may be the only ME priest in the game that can do that. So I can and WILL just killsteal back. <3 gonna gwing share both my ME ABs and go nuts.)

But yeah anyway, anyone who says this isn't a problem isn't really looking at the bigger picture, they're just busy defending themselves or attacking what they see as a "personal" problem, when infact I'm trying to point out this has a bigger issue that most people I know who have the same problem, just don't speak out against, because they will get flamed just like I did.

[Clogon]

Or they gave up on this game and community and moved on!

[Xellie]

Or they gave up on this game and community and moved on!

I feel that.
I often do!

[Xellie]

lol @ alt account rep spam.

[MizunoAoi]

Why am I the only person who is fed up of being KSed on solo chars every time there's a TI on one of those maps?

Oh, you're not the only one, I assure you. And it's not restricted to TIs either. Happens on popular maps, too.

First of all TI play due to the bad manner of the parties directly impacts those who don't want to take part / aren't in range.

This, too. Take 1 KSer, ramp it up to 2-12 KSers. Get/make a party? I don't know about you but have you ever tried asking those parties if they have room for one more? I've never had any luck (but gotten buffed for it, woo). And I'm not going to sit in Eden for 2 hours looking to make a party when, you know, I could be out getting xp/kills for 2 hours.

And I can't be the only one who thinks the level ranges for some of these TIs are just a little screwy, can I?

[Dreimdal]

It's not as big of a deal as it may seem that I'm making it, ultimately, I'm extremely pissed off at the noobs who don't grasp the concept between wanting to actually play... and just getting exp.


Why am I the only person who is fed up of being KSed on solo chars every time there's a TI on one of those maps?

The AB/NI thing is just the straw that broke the camels back, I've been hating on this behaviour for a while, and here on the forums I have funny newbies trying to convince me that I should be playing in that party style because I hate it. Which makes me not want to party / lazy etc. Because I am upset that their way of playing is crapping all over my way of playing, if I protest I'm told it's ok for them to have a problem with how I play, but not vice versa?

I never once said that the TI should be removed. I never once said it shouldn't be there. All I said was that it was poorly thought out. And it shows me there's an issue that needs solving, or two.

First of all TI play due to the bad manner of the parties directly impacts those who don't want to take part / aren't in range.
Secondly the FS thing.... If there's no alternatives then we're forced to play in a style that is unlikable.

How about we make a a map just for Xellie? It'll have only the monsters she needs for leveling, and only her accounts will be able to access the maps, stopping the other 99% of the villainous playerbase from ruining her game experience.

/sarcasm


In all seriousness though, Xellie seems to hate the idea of people other than herself getting exp (which is retarded), and also seems to hate the KSing that goes on with TI maps (which is reasonable and sensible).

Therefore, perhaps alternative instance-like maps can be provided each week, and make it so that gwings cannot be used on these maps. That would probably cut down 90 or more percent of the KSing complaints from other people too. If KSing persists, perhaps even make it so that parties can't be formed on these alternatives maps, then 99% or more of KSing is reduced right there. Or if parties are desireable, then keep them enabled and instead have a GM occasionally patrol those maps in spy-mode to make sure that everyone is "playing nice".


Either way though, you can't expect the GMs to nerf TIs at this point, just to satisfy your own style of play, because quite frankly, you're in the minority when it comes to that playstyle you use.

Edited by Dreimdal, 08 December 2011 - 08:21 AM.

[Xellie]

How about we make a a map just for Xellie? It'll have only the monsters she needs for leveling, and only her accounts will be able to access the maps, stopping the other 99% of the villainous playerbase from ruining her game experience.

/sarcasm


In all seriousness though, Xellie seems to hate the idea of people other than herself getting exp (which is retarded), and also seems to hate the KSing that goes on with TI maps (which is reasonable and sensible).

Therefore, perhaps alternative instance-like maps can be provided each week, and make it so that gwings cannot be used on these maps. That would probably cut down 90 or more percent of the KSing complaints from other people too. If KSing persists, perhaps even make it so that parties can't be formed on these alternatives maps, then 99% or more of KSing is reduced right there. Or if parties are desireable, then keep them enabled and instead have a GM occasionally patrol those maps in spy-mode to make sure that everyone is "playing nice".


Either way though, you can't expect the GMs to nerf TIs at this point, just to satisfy your own style of play, because quite frankly, you're in the minority when it comes to that playstyle you use.

I never said I didn't want other people to level. Where are you even pulling that from?
Don't misquote me, I (personally) want to be able to level in a more interesting way than TIs. When TIs ruin that, it's not nice.

(When I say "ruin" I mean both via KSing and lack of other parties)

The other topics indicate that a lot of players don't like the TI only levelling styles and would enjoy more challenge.

The solution I proposed was a new map for each TI level range, with the monsters changing, high spawn, party beneficial. Let the soloers stick to normal maps, or hell, if they can tough it out on a high spawn map, power to them.
but some of us don't want to deal with it.

Face it, the crazy rude repeatedly killstealing casual manner of TIs annoys a lot of players for their own various reasons. To say this is just me is stupid.... Should I point out again about how support at 140+ have no alternative levelling every other week?

No, I admit, I should have noticed this problem sooner. But it's easier to spot when it impacts on the thing you enjoy the most.

[Dreimdal]

I (personally) want to be able to level in a more interesting way than TIs. When TIs ruin that, it's not nice.

(When I say "ruin" I mean both via KSing and lack of other parties)

Right, how I read it is that you want to take away TIs so that other players are forced to conform to your personal play-style, i.e. join your parties rather than TI parties, since if there are no TIs, then apparently there will be more people to party with you. That was how I read it before, and that's what I disliked about it. It seemed (at least to me) like you want others to adapt solely to your way of playing the game, and I found that a little bit conceited, to be honest.

I do, however, agree with you that the KSing is bad and a solution to resolve it should be implemented.

The other topics indicate that a lot of players don't like the TI only levelling styles and would enjoy more challenge.

A large part of the player-base (especially newer players) isn't actively engaged in forum activity. Many of the older players are and they, as a consequence, are more likely to have their voices heard. Find out what the majority of the people in the game playing it want, rather than what the majority of forum-goers want, and your evidence will be a bit stronger.

The solution I proposed was a new map for each TI level range, with the monsters changing, high spawn, party beneficial. Let the soloers stick to normal maps, or hell, if they can tough it out on a high spawn map, power to them.
but some of us don't want to deal with it.

That's a good suggestion. I somehow missed that suggestion, but I ended up independently thinking of something similar (Was a coincidence, I haven't read your ideas to fix things. no plagiarist). The idea I had was >a little bit different<, but still pretty similar to that. We may have more in common than we realize. Or maybe not, hahaha. Anyway...

Face it, the crazy rude repeatedly killstealing casual manner of TIs annoys a lot of players for their own various reasons. To say this is just me is stupid.... Should I point out again about how support at 140+ have no alternative levelling every other week?

No no, I agree with you. I think kill-stealing and too much gwinging is lame. However, I do like the increase in partying, and I just don't think the game should go too far in the direction you want it to, and be returned to a prerenewal-type grindfest, and I believe that the majority of players would agree with me on that.


Hope we both understand each other a little better now.


P.S. Who is Cezzy? No posts but down-repping me. At least have the balls to down rep on your main account.

Edited by Dreimdal, 12 December 2011 - 04:48 AM.

[Xellie]

Yeah, I never have once advocated that TIs should be taken away, I just do not like that playstyle myself, and I do not like the fact that it impacts on my playstyle in such a negative fashion.

minority or not.

[Tigra]

From my understanding they are only tradable in boxes. Once opened they are account bound. And hopefully the new headgear aren't costume but that wouldn't suprise me....

The boxes were not tradeable either. I haven't checked since maintenance, hopefully it got fixed.

[Dreimdal]

Yeah, I never have once advocated that TIs should be taken away, I just do not like that playstyle myself, and I do not like the fact that it impacts on my playstyle in such a negative fashion.

minority or not.

Alright, I guess I had pegged you wrong and had an overly negative impression of what you wanted to do to the game.

I do understand that you enjoyed partying and having fun with your friends in prerenewal, and I do wish you could do that once again in order to enjoy the game again. I just don't want it to come at the expense of everyone else who enjoys leveling a bit faster in Renewal than in Prerenewal.

Has the exp been too fast recently? Yes, I think so. But I also think a lot of that has more to do with manuals and the formerly unlimited resets than the TIs themselves. I personally think that manuals should be phased out of the game, and replaced with a 30-day kafra lower headgear. <--

And I think the gramps thing should be altered a bit.

Edited by Dreimdal, 08 December 2011 - 05:02 PM.

[Xellie]

Well, there's gotta be a solution to balance it. I mean, right now, the TI style impacts the other way of life.

But see, when we complain, we're shot down. =/

Hence the agressive behaviour, this is partly the source of my outburst earlier too. Will I regret making that thread that got deleted? No, because I know for a fact that I'm totally not alone in the situation and I feel a lot happier in attempting to reach out and share those feelings now with other players.

[generalCOOLyo]

cry me a river, anyways why are we having an emergency maintenance.

[ZeruelUnknown]

Thanks for the info.

[IVBela]

• Grandpa can remove old billboard quest timers

I was very happy to see this, but... I don't seem to find how to do this. Anyone? I still have a crapload of them from the 90+ ones...