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#1 Kingcool

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 04:31 AM

Hey.

Which crazy dumb kid has decided to do a so called "Balance"?
GO BUY A DICTIONARY WHAT THE MEANING OF BALANCE IS!!!!!

I was doing 5500 dmg with my sc befor this stupid -_-y balance system.
And noW?????
NOW i only do 300dm!

Are you wanna kidding me?

SHOW ME the Balance!

I think some guys of the development system have celebrate to early christmas.

I don`t believe it...THIS is the WORST update which was ever done in iro AND even in euro and fro there was never before SUCH an ridicules Update.

IF you guys decide to putt an skill power to ZERO then create a new skill...but i forget what could i expect from game creators if they aren`t even able to balance a game-.-


DAMN i am so disapointet!!!!!!
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#2 Kaiji

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 04:46 AM

Dude, this is due to trap mastery , we dont have those. Just stick with other skills and have fun.
Don't be a kid and rant all day coz your char is not imba anymore.
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#3 Kingcool

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 04:48 AM

LOOOOOOOOOOL.
With other words...you can kick the SC class in to the trash.

Cool i am going to delete this -_- char later and tell every person that only WOE players have use for this stupid useless character
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 04:57 AM

i strongly agree with kingcool this whole "BALANCE" is f**king stupid i used to lvl fine and also why play a SC now when all of the main skill are nerfed i.e. reproduce, wtf double sp is consume when performing the skill you've copied RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by gl101, 21 December 2011 - 05:00 AM.

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#5 Kingcool

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:11 AM

YOU CAN`T Level UP under these circumstances.

SO instead of protecting the game designer Kaji...GO ON show me HOW you will raise up your lv now as an SC...if you are sooooooo good with these stupid changes and have no problems with them....maybe we are all dumb and you are an expert...show me a way that works the same fast way like fire trap and i do it...but as long as you haven`t the same way you have no right to tell me, that i have not to complain about that.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:28 AM

Look,

what we got was simply the thing kRO had done over the past year. Meaning, rants like this are not just a waste of energy, but you're not even addressing the right people.
Since gravity korea obviously don't know a thing about what they're doing, this subforum was made to collect feedback.

The topic is discussed in several other threads here already, no need for making a personal rant thread.

I'm probably the only person on the server who likes the fact that traps are not THE way to level a chaser (its even weird for rangers), but I still agree that nerfing it down to 0 without rangers passive skill is just trolling.
They actually should make copyable skills work less good as on the original class (and leave repro sp alone), but not just throwing it out the window as an option, like happened with traps.

They should be AT LEAST 50% dmg with no trap research. Any lower is a-_- move.

But they really shouldn't be advertising the patch like its full of awesome hahaha...

Edited by Charon, 21 December 2011 - 05:35 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:28 AM

they should have buffed ranger instead of nerfing sc's firetrap damages imo

5500 dmg in pre-balance >>> 300+ dmg in post-balance seem a bit too much =(
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:38 AM

You should have read up on the forums.. this was coming and everyone knew it was coming for the longest time. Your best thing to do is use another skill.
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#9 Kingcool

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:48 AM

LOL.

You should have read up on the forums.. this was coming and everyone knew it was coming for the longest time. Your best thing to do is use another skill.


LOl yeah maybe it was known for a while BUT i am SC now for 7 Month AND THERe to that time was NO talking about bringing Fire Trap dmg to near zero.

All equip for SC now is useless like Quadruple Malicous Maingauge LOL.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 05:54 AM

LOL.



LOl yeah maybe it was known for a while BUT i am SC now for 7 Month AND THERe to that time was NO talking about bringing Fire Trap dmg to near zero.

All equip for SC now is useless like Quadruple Malicous Maingauge LOL.


Its called FIRE TRAP (or even Firing Trap originally) along with Freezing Trap.
It implies that its purpose is to cause the status effects of Burning and Freezing.
Even its element was neutral, NOT because it would be better that way, but because they didn't intend it to be used for the damage.
If it was called OVERKILL TRAP, that'd be a different story.

The Hunterfly thing... its one of these things that was obviously not intended to be abused like that either. Similar to combining things with reflect, and thr rideword hat... It would make sense to expect these to be changed once it becomes obvious. It's just that it's way too late when they actually do.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:14 AM

Fire Trap is NO fire element.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:32 AM

lol then u missed the memo when it WAS CHANGED TO FIRE ELEMENT(so is freezing trap) post-patch

learn how to search for valuable info about the patch before making any baseless assumptions, go level somewhere adapt new tactics/skills heck as much as it pained me when they killed LR and the GT/PP tree for suras i needed to move on and try other skills though they aren't as good as the nerfed ones, but i can still live on and not qq for life about my current state. Staying in the past and keep ranting about "before this was blah blah" wont get u anywhere in the future

EDIT: if ur going magma then use freezing trap!!! is it hard enough to figure out which element works on a map??? when u hit 119 go scarabs and u will be THANKFUL that they made firetrap fire prop so now u deal 1.5x to 2x damage from 119~150

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:35 AM

SC class is a let down now with this "WHAT SO CALLED BALLANCE" and yes some people in the game are already quitting because of this patch i never see 3k players on valkyrie anymore its just really sad because the game is "AMAZING"
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:38 AM

HEY befor lecture me like a teacher but have no idea...YOU should inform you better.

THEN you would know that Fire Trap NOW is based on the PASSIVE Skill Trap research.

AND an SC have NO Trap Research so F+++ on the element...even if i would use the freezing trap in magma i would do less then 1k dmg.

And befor this UNBALANCED Update i did 5500 dmg.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:43 AM

RIGHT kro will lose more and more player and later it will be like euro...then the server will be put together because the less user counts.

Only because they are doing such stupid useless update...the badest update in the whole history of ragnarok.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 06:59 AM

Ughhhh.................................

I hate when SC players say "FIRE TRAP IS OUR ONLY SKILL TO LEVEL". No seriously this is dumb, I'm sorry. They can copy skills from ANY class, aka they are the easiest class to adapt to changes in [damage] skills.

The problem on chaser is the doubled SP cost on reproduce which makes 40% of the skills unusable without Pharaoh Card / Gypsy's Kiss and the lack of good Magic Attack weapons.

We want both traps to deal proper damage for both classes though... More for rangers because they are supposed to be specialists [EVEN THE SITE CLASS DESCRIPTION SAY THIS, but ranger players wanted to use their bows D:]. Everyone wanted a nerf on fire trap. BUT THIS WAS TOO MUCH. Aka "rangers will deal close to the chaser pre-balance damage, while chasers will deal almost zero"

The optimal damage output I would like would be something like 3~4k for chaser and 6~8k for ranger, both sharing the same (int/dex) build.

Edited by asayuu, 21 December 2011 - 07:00 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:01 AM

exactly which even reinforces my argument: go find other ways to lvl BB with a bow like pre re?? there is soo many skills out there waiting to be discovered, and qqing about the 5500 dmg u did pre patch is pointless and is a waste of time since i doubt they will change it back

be creative and experiment with new builds and not just stick to one as if its ur lifeline, better yet main another class like how i switched from sura to gx -_- only u can solve ur problems, im out of here useless arguing with someone that doesn't even consider other options
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:05 AM

exactly which even reinforces my argument: go find other ways to lvl BB with a bow like pre re?? there is soo many skills out there waiting to be discovered, and qqing about the 5500 dmg u did pre patch is pointless and is a waste of time since i doubt they will change it back

be creative and experiment with new builds and not just stick to one as if its ur lifeline, better yet main another class like how i switched from sura to gx -_- only u can solve ur problems, im out of here useless arguing with someone that doesn't even consider other options


Like, two options nowadays are the BB+IB, and AS+AS.

Bowling Bash + Ignition Break, or Arrow Shower + Arrow Storm. Or Bowling Bash + Arrow Storm too, if you are bad at using Arrow Shower. Try it when Sakray is back, it is very good and you can use the same build as the old Fire Trap build, maybe needing some agi.

People should see what the "Balance Patch" made for the performer classes before complaining about one or other skill. That is not even of their natural skill trees.

Which is our best way to level "solo"? Single Target with Double Strafe or AOE with Arrow Shower. SR deals severely low damage for the SP cost, and with 7 seconds delay, even worse.

@Mods: Our posts are severely off topic. May I ask you people to move our posts about Fire Trap things to here? ---> http://forums.warppo...haser-feedback/

Edited by asayuu, 21 December 2011 - 07:09 AM.

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#19 Kingcool

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:41 AM

yeah like i was thinking...only the SC playing Players have any idea how hard it is to level up without fire trap using.

And lol..using BB and some other stupid crap LOL.

With that you need more then the doeble of time, then with fire trap.


And there aren`t no other AOE skills which are dealing great DMG...what should i use?

A skill which is dealing 1k dmg for 200SP?
Even me, who is build on int/dex has not more then 1015 SP so after some Hits you have to rest LOOOOL.
And all the other classes have their high end skills and deals tons of dmg but like i said..only other char playing players say such crap like "go build up another character or use other Build and buy other equip" LOOOOL.

Sure it is soooooooo easy to get money in game, what a crap.
And with all the lower downs it will takes a year to build up a new character.
Like i said...kro is planning to bring back prenewal.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:51 AM

in case u didn't know a LOT MORE ppl liked pre-renewal than renewal so lol goodluck on finding allies on pro-RE stuff

and ur rebuttal makes it clear that u aren't WILLING to accept and modify ur build, like someone who wants his 150/50 handed to him/her ez with just spamming 2 buttons its obvious that ur too lazy to do other stuff, and it isn't stupid crap till u actually try it
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 07:56 AM

I AM one of these friends of PREnewal.

I want it back too!

The DMg there was balanced and not such idiotic stupid useless balance thing like here.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:01 AM

-> wants pre-re
-> no chasers there
-> no turnins(not counting goats and all those old stuff)/etc
-> rogues/stalkers mostly LEVEL VIA BB AND NOT TRAPS!!!
-> complain about how BB is stupid crap and double the time needed
-> what???

if u cant handle BB lvling on a character that has MORE skill points than trans then i dunno how will u survive lvling on a stalker pre-RE since traps back then are not that awesome as the nerfed fire trap now
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:05 AM

LOL i had an Stalker lv 99/50 in prenewal and other lv 99/50 chars...so what do you wanna talk to me?
Pfff but prenewal was mooooooore then easy to raise up lv.
But here?
No way.
Not with unbalanced skills.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:11 AM

yeah like i was thinking...only the SC playing Players have any idea how hard it is to level up without fire trap using.

And lol..using BB and some other stupid crap LOL.

With that you need more then the doeble of time, then with fire trap.


And there aren`t no other AOE skills which are dealing great DMG...what should i use?

A skill which is dealing 1k dmg for 200SP?
Even me, who is build on int/dex has not more then 1015 SP so after some Hits you have to rest LOOOOL.
And all the other classes have their high end skills and deals tons of dmg but like i said..only other char playing players say such crap like "go build up another character or use other Build and buy other equip" LOOOOL.

Sure it is soooooooo easy to get money in game, what a crap.
And with all the lower downs it will takes a year to build up a new character.
Like i said...kro is planning to bring back prenewal.


Like I said. GO PLAY A WANDERER. Or teach to your SC Severe Rainstorm again. Ignore the 240 SP cost, just check how ridiculous the damage is. 18k in 3 seconds, aka 6k DPS... ON LEVEL 150 WITH ALMOST 150 DEX. With the right ASPD, you could make easy 20k+ DPS.

If you don't know, SR was the SECOND BEST way to level a chaser, and depending of your build (or server) [While for firetrap people use x4 hunterfly gauches, for SR people mained OABs with Rideword and Nyd garb], BETTER THAN FIRE TRAP.

Why don't you see here: http://forums.warppo...haser-feedback/

Feedback from chaser players to this thing. They also thought fire trap was hurt too much. BUT THEY DON'T REFUSE TO TRY TO FIND OTHER OPTIONS TO LEVEL, unlike you.

Sorry, got carried away. Well... Try to find alternatives. Sakray is open for testing when servers come back... We know everything is broken and we want fixes. Fire Trap was the most broken thing though. D:

Edited by asayuu, 21 December 2011 - 08:13 AM.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:58 AM

Fire Trap NOW is the broken thing before it was way to low but now it is like zero.

SC has no other good skill and LOL i should Ignor the 240 SP costs?

How many Sp do you have 4000?

with 240 sp i sit every 5 shoots...HOW should you level up with that, fast?
Go on explain it.
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