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[Jimmyawake]

I am having awful luck trying to get my maestro cat ear beret to +10. I have attempted it 12 times to go to +10 with that HD elu. Every time it has degraded down to +8. Im not sure what the average rate for +10 equipment from +9 to +10 but so far i am 0 for 12. I attempted to +10 my cat ear beret one more times this morning with my remaining enriched elu which was about 70 and managed to attempt three more tries at +10. All failed. During my last attempt to get to +9 with enriched hammer my hammer degraded all the way to +3. Mind you im have vip status on ymir server and i was using enriched elu at the time!! Is this even possible!! I though enriched elu and normal elu wont fail going to +4. I can provide a screenie if need be. Anywho it was a terrible upgrading day only managed to get my item back to +6 with the remaing 50 enriched elu i had to start with at the beginning of my 4th attempt to try to +9 it.

So yeah the upgrade rates are different i got proof.

[Atha]

They don't fail going to +4, that is true.

However, there is a failure chance going from +4 to +5, and when that failure happens your item degrades from +4 to +3.

[MizunoAoi]

Mind you im have vip status on ymir server and i was using enriched elu at the time!!

Vip and server don't make a difference.

I think the wiki is still accurate:
http://irowiki.org/w...finement_System

That is, even with enriched you have a 10% chance to fail going from +4 to +5 (and only a 10% chance to succeed going from +9 to +10).

I feel your pain, though. Last night I tired to +9 a Hurricane Fury from +7. Thankfully it's still +7 (after 110 ore...).
Then I went from 0 > +9 on a stupid Laural Wreath in one shot... Sometimes this game toys with us.

[Kitten]

You need much larger sampling than that to get "proof" of anything.

[Myzery]

Probably just bad luck, but we honestly don't know when the GMs tweak numbers or have an error.
When they changed the old upgrade rates, no one was informed and the community was extremely angry.

[Monochromatical]

Pretty sure rates were lowered for Safe Certs. Upgrade rates with enriched still seem rather reliable though.

[lainee]

Probably just bad luck, but we honestly don't know when the GMs tweak numbers or have an error.
When they changed the old upgrade rates, no one was informed and the community was extremely angry.

I have a feeling though when ever the enriched hammer NPC event happens, the mighty hammer NPC HD ore success rate drops lol. Again, larger sample size needed though...

[Jimmyawake]

Lol yeah you are right on the 4 to 3 upgrade. I was in a rush to post cause of work. I'm just curious if someone has had worse luck trying to go to 10 on a single item. So far I'm 0 for 12 on the beret. Overall I'm like maybe 1 for 40 trying to 10 itemz.

[MizunoAoi]

Lol yeah you are right on the 4 to 3 upgrade. I was in a rush to post cause of work. I'm just curious if someone has had worse luck trying to go to 10 on a single item. So far I'm 0 for 12 on the beret. Overall I'm like maybe 1 for 40 trying to 10 itemz.

I have 3 +9 items to my name, over 4 accounts. Never had a +10 or above. Played since 2006.

[Account]

This scenario almost always happens to me:
Start at +7
+7 > +8 > +7 > +6 > +5 > +4 > +3 > +4 > +5 > +6 > +7 > +8 > +7 > +6 > +5 > +4 > +3 etc

Then I run out of ores, stop at +7 and restock.
Then I get to +9 on my first go, with a ton of spare ores left.

[TsukishiroSayuki]

sigh, using Enriched ores with this "upgrade event" it's silly if not stupid...
The diference is 10% for +8 and +9 and no bonus to +10 try's.
making instead of 20%-->30% to +8 and +9.. and TAKING IN ACCOUNT, 100 KP give you 10 HD ores and 100 KP give you 5 E.ore..
There basically NO DIFERENCE in the chance to upgrade! if was doubled the chance it would matter... but 10% don't matter at all, and don't help in nothing to plus 10.

Saying that, what matter is how much you are lucky.

Edited by TsukishiroSayuki, 30 December 2011 - 07:58 PM.

[CeruleanGamer]

There basically NO DIFERENCE in the chance to upgrade! if was doubled the chance it would matter... but 10% don't matter at all, and don't help in nothing to plus 10.

Saying that, what matter is how much you are lucky.

In the long run there is a difference; you will get a lot more +9s and +10s with Enriched than with HD.

[Volt88]

Yup, I upgraded many items to +9 using less than 20 Enriched Elu per equipment. However i had bad luck with my second White Wing Boots (Used like 150 Enriched to +9 it)

[TsukishiroSayuki]

In the long run there is a difference; you will get a lot more +9s and +10s with Enriched than with HD.

In the long run they are the same.

Yup, I upgraded many items to +9 using less than 20 Enriched Elu per equipment. However i had bad luck with my second White Wing Boots (Used like 150 Enriched to +9 it)

20 E.Elu= 4 box right? I spended 82 HD Elu to put 2 itens +9 meaning about 40 each that is 4 boxes each.

Meaning it's lucky only, both are the same.
the biggest diference in the enriched is that to ugrade from +4~6 to +5~7 the chances are bigger BUT again it's lucky because i broke lots of +4 level 4 weapows[Staff's of destruction] trying to put +7 being with enriched 90%

So if lucky is what matter's the one that come more of itens is best, because more attempts.

Edited by TsukishiroSayuki, 30 December 2011 - 08:34 PM.

[Droyd]

I hate when my items go

+5 +4 +3 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4

[Volt88]

^ Damn boots =(

[TsukishiroSayuki]

I hate when my items go
+5 +4 +3 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4 +5 +4

That is your luck XD
Upgrade god's don't like you. /heh

[Hrothmund]

Probably just bad luck, but we honestly don't know when the GMs tweak numbers or have an error.
When they changed the old upgrade rates, no one was informed and the community was extremely angry.

Except for valk, base upgrade rates have never been changed, unless you mean at server launch pretty much. Its always been 60/40/40/20/20/10. There was a commonly held belief that blacksmiths got a 10% bonus, that turned out to be wrong.

[CeruleanGamer]

In the long run they are the same.

I wish Codface or Clogon or any awesome math simulator guys to come here and prove you wrong.

No they are NOT the same. If you take a sample size of let's say 500 Enriched vs 1000 HD, you will get more +9s with Enriched than HD almost all the time.

From hardcore upgraders, they will always prefer Enriched over HD.

Edited by CeruleanGamer, 31 December 2011 - 12:06 PM.

[Volt88]

^ In my experience upgrading items, I made a few items +9 (less than 5) with HD elus. However with this event I spent a lot of zenny to buy Enriched elus and my results were:

All the items below were +7 before the upgrade

+9 Valk Shield(x4) (around 60 Elus all 4 shields)
+9 Glorious Suit (10 Elus)
+9 Glorious Boots (2 Elus had luck here xD)
+9 Nid Garb(x2) (around 30 elus)
+9 Glorious Mace (12 Elus)
+9 White Wing Boots (I had really bad luck with this bastard 150+ Elus T_T)
+9 Valk Armor (30 Elus)
+9 Rideword Hat (15 elus dont remember)

In total I used around 309 enrich Elus and still have 41 Enriched Elus left, so in total I burned around 495m to upgrade all these items. Not bad i guess for all these items.

Resuming, making items +9 with Enriched Hammer was easier than using Mighty Hammer. However, getting one to +10 is a different story :3

Edited by Volt88, 31 December 2011 - 01:00 PM.

[sayoko]

wait what........ people still QQING becouse the game its not pay to win after all?

then pay more!