16 replies to this topic

[eminnerick]

Let noone uses this anymore.
So they should buff it to make it a viable way to lvl and solo again.
Remove the kick back or something.
I mean comeon what would this hurt?

[Kadelia]

GC leveling sucks because partying before 100 sucks. Not because you take a piddly 600 damage kickback.

[Chigikogou]

Let noone uses this anymore.
So they should buff it to make it a viable way to lvl and solo again.
Remove the kick back or something.
I mean comeon what would this hurt?

You want to bring it back? and yet you are asking for a buff? What's the challenge then?
if you want to bring it back then find a way yourself. Then we will aplaud you.

[eminnerick]

Not really pre renewal, I seen many gc saders solo 80+ I mean Alot of people still partied with priests.
But taking that kickback away would make it a viable way to lvl that isn't agi...
Gc saders used to be where it's at, now just agi.

[eminnerick]

There's no way to bring it back without a buff.
What will buffing it hurt?
It used be be like one of the strongest attacks prerenewal.
Now it's agi-vit-str-dex only...
Makes Alot of sense.

[Chigikogou]

Not everything is settled in post-Renewal. Somethings aren't fixed or somethings they didn't just cared about. Like Grand Cross.
Though if it needs buff, the I guess they should remove the "fixed" damage you receive when you cast the skill.
Even wearing a Holy Armour, you still get that fix damage. So better remove it if it wants some updating.

[Mowi]

GC Saders/Paladins, Spirit Monks/Champions... I miss those things.

[Pril]

How much more can it be buffed when it already one shots everything at its levels of use? It -is- a viable levelling method, just not the best. It's only bad because there are next to no aggressive monsters with moderate walking speed in double digit levels.

Rather, if you want to see more grand cross crusaders, you're looking for a nerf to holy cross rather than a buff to grand cross.

[Akin]

Also, I think the point with Renewal was to shift focus off Second class and onto Third class characters. What you should be asking for is more Ray of Genesis RGs as that's the next evolution of the skill. Being forced to be in Inspiration (huge cooldown) or level with another RG (terrible considering the state of party play in RO) are huge drawbacks.

Perhaps they could change the skill to be usable by a single RG if:
1. They are on the same screen as an AB in their party and if the RG is under the affect of a Lauda skill?
or
2. They are on the same screen as a Sura in their party and if the RG is under the affect of Revitalize?

Just a couple of ideas.

[Clogon]

GC doesn't need a buff... It is one of the strongest skills against undead/shadow monster (If you know how to use it). You can easily do 26k per hit without god items.

[eminnerick]

Monks can asura, crusaders gc, asura does more dmg, an dont hurt caster..
Pre-renewal raped renewal.
Pre was Alot more balances.
So why not get ideas from before?

[eminnerick]

I'd be happy with even if holy armor would take away the fixed dmg.
Monsters were buffed.
And it aready cuts def to 2/3 and does dmg to you.
That's not viable with monster updates.
And agi spear is 99% of crusaders- rg.

[CeruleanGamer]

Angeling Armor says hi.

[eminnerick]

Even with Angeling you still take dmg..

[Dreimdal]

Monks can asura, crusaders gc, asura does more dmg, an dont hurt caster..

Guillotine Fist (or 'Asura' as you call it) also costs all of your SP. Grand Cross doesn't.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges. I don't get why so many people rush to compare various skills with one of the single most powerful skills in the game.

GFist is like an enormous supergun with a loooooong reload time, expensive and weighty ammunition (sp recov items), and it can only strike a single target at a time. It is not AoE, and it never was (nor will it ever be) a viable skill for leveling.

Pre-renewal raped renewal.
Pre was Alot more balances.
So why not get ideas from before?

Are you looking at pre-renewal through rose-colored goggles?

Do you remember things such as when knights leveled only at High Orcs or Bathories once they're past level 75 or so? Or when assassins only leveled at sleepers for 20 levels? At least renewal encourages people to go different places rather than grind on one or two types of monster for 25-30 levels and hundreds of hours. Granted, renewal has a little bit of that issue itself with Scarab grinding now. But I still think the game is a lot more enjoyable now than it was before.

I suppose it's a matter of perspective though...

Edited by Dreimdal, 11 January 2012 - 03:03 AM.

[Kadelia]

Monks can asura, crusaders gc, asura does more dmg, an dont hurt caster..
Pre-renewal raped renewal.
Pre was Alot more balances.
So why not get ideas from before?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The relationship//balance between Guillotine Fist and Grand cross was identical pre-renewal. If you are wondering why nobody wants to party your grand cross build, refer to my first post.

[Wanderer]

Even with Angeling you still take dmg..

It's not damage, the skill itself consumes a % of your current hp with each cast and that is different from the kickback damage which can be negated with angeling or piety skill