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[Br0sephene]

Hi, guys! I've always had a question about the LODH+AKC combo! I heard somewhere that the set only deals extra damage on the first attack? Is this true? Or does the extra 5% damage from the set work on every subsequent attack? Also, in order to use the combo to its fullest potential, would it be a better idea to go for a Liberation HF or a 2xASC1xAKC Twin Edge? I'd like to incorporate a shield into this set. Any help would be great! Thank you

[Heart]

it doesnt work on bombs i think,lodh

[Br0sephene]

A friend of mine actually said his AB damage increased from 120k to 140k with the set (and for all subsequent ABs)? Was he trolling?

[MordredKiller]

for the genetic the AK card not work, i test 2 weapons a carga mace (2AK) and my elemental sword (3AS).
against the ifrit tha carga mace 120K and the elemental 130K

[Handersen]

i think that LOtd and AK combo only good for Ranger

[Kadelia]

triple kingbird twin egde of nacht seiger with a +9 evil marching hat is the most versatile, good damage you can do. There are more specific setups that can do more damage (such as a +12 glorious morningstar + cat ear beret vs orc lord/hero) but if you're looking for general MVP versatility, +% ranged > +% boss.

[Froggems]

Does cat ear beret really work with acid bomb damage in pvp? My giant magestic goat did nothing, but its been a long time since I tested it.

[Kadelia]

I don't see how these items could be coded differently than weapon cards or glorious weapon, except the set bonus on the LoD helm I could see not working. Not sure why things do/don't work with acid bomb.

[MotherOneDog]

I think what the OP wants to know is whether it's feasible to use a Double Kingbird Liberation Naght Sieger cuz he wants to use a shield as well as the LODH+AKC combo, right? I'm guessing it's possible but as Jaye mentioned, +%Ranged would still be the best. I've never tried the LODH+AKC set so I can't really give much input. Breaking it down, it'd be:

+15% Damage to Bosses
+25% Weapon ATK to Bosses
+20% Ranged Damage to Mobs

VS

+10% Damage to Bosses
+30% Ranged Damage to Mobs

Discuss? Sounds interesting

[Kadelia]

What is +20% damage to bosses? because all vs. race/boss cards ONLY apply to weapon attack.

The kingbird/archer skel/evil marching hat/etc apply to the whole damage. Since your status attack is usually like 150-200 and status attack is actually doubled in the final damage calculation, you can do some simple math to see why +% ranged is generally better

196 status (120 str / 130 dex) + 368 weapon (we'll say its a +10 twin edge with 120 STR)

30% ranged vs. +60% boss

30% ranged : (392*130%) + (368*130%) = 987
60% boss : 392 + (368*160%) = 980

As you can see every percent of +%ranged is twice as good as every percent of +%Boss

The lod/kingbird combo /should/ be a bit better but LoD currenty does not work with acid bomb. And even if it was corrected, the versatility of a triple kingbird is more useful. If we were to assume +12 LoD & Double Kingbird Liberation +10 Twin Edge vs. +9 evil marching/robo eyes and a triple kingbird twin edge:
529
35% ranged / +9% atk : (392*135%) + (368*135%*109%) = 1070
20% ranged / +48% boss : (392*120%) + (368*120%*148%) = 1123

About a 5% increase in overall damage (only on bosses) and a large drop on non-boss enemies.

So If you were doing 120,000 damage acid bombs on an MVP and killing it in 3 shots, you'll instead do 126,000 damage and kill it in 3 shots.

I'd stick with the kingbird sword and the evil marching hat. And a more useful mid like black devil mask which may actually make the gap between the two setups even smaller.

Edited by Jaye, 17 April 2012 - 05:38 AM.

[frankSG07]

What is +20% damage to bosses? because all vs. race/boss cards ONLY apply to weapon attack.

The kingbird/archer skel/evil marching hat/etc apply to the whole damage. Since your status attack is usually like 150-200 and status attack is actually doubled in the final damage calculation, you can do some simple math to see why +% ranged is generally better

196 status (120 str / 130 dex) + 368 weapon (we'll say its a +10 twin edge with 120 STR)

30% ranged vs. +60% boss

30% ranged : (392*130%) + (368*130%) = 987
60% boss : 392 + (368*160%) = 980

As you can see every percent of +%ranged is twice as good as every percent of +%Boss

The lod/kingbird combo /should/ be a bit better but LoD currenty does not work with acid bomb. And even if it was corrected, the versatility of a triple kingbird is more useful. If we were to assume +12 LoD & Double Kingbird Liberation +10 Twin Edge vs. +9 evil marching/robo eyes and a triple kingbird twin edge:
529
35% ranged / +9% atk : (392*135%) + (368*135%*109%) = 1070
20% ranged / +48% boss : (392*120%) + (368*120%*148%) = 1123

About a 5% increase in overall damage (only on bosses) and a large drop on non-boss enemies.

So If you were doing 120,000 damage acid bombs on an MVP and killing it in 3 shots, you'll instead do 126,000 damage and kill it in 3 shots.

I'd stick with the kingbird sword and the evil marching hat. And a more useful mid like black devil mask which may actually make the gap between the two setups even smaller.

Cool story bro,
I never use Lodh after they change/fix it, +12kk cod +Triple AS red sword is still better when using gen on mvp imo.

I use it combine with +12 Kk cod,bryn, and +9 valk shield of royal. But keep going guys, ima list some more info. I want some additional dmg on Acid Bomb vs MVP

Edited by frankSG07, 17 April 2012 - 11:54 AM.

[Kadelia]

Why are you using a CoD on acid bomb? Its fixed cast time the CoD does jack. Also what is that "cool story bro" thing? That sounds rude.

[frankSG07]

I figure, still new on gen, cool story bro means no offense for me sorry if that offended u,

[CeruleanGamer]

Ranged damage is what makes Rangers so overpowered in PVM but not WOE because of the Range damage reduction.

[Br0sephene]

What is +20% damage to bosses? because all vs. race/boss cards ONLY apply to weapon attack.

The kingbird/archer skel/evil marching hat/etc apply to the whole damage. Since your status attack is usually like 150-200 and status attack is actually doubled in the final damage calculation, you can do some simple math to see why +% ranged is generally better

196 status (120 str / 130 dex) + 368 weapon (we'll say its a +10 twin edge with 120 STR)

30% ranged vs. +60% boss

30% ranged : (392*130%) + (368*130%) = 987
60% boss : 392 + (368*160%) = 980

As you can see every percent of +%ranged is twice as good as every percent of +%Boss

The lod/kingbird combo /should/ be a bit better but LoD currenty does not work with acid bomb. And even if it was corrected, the versatility of a triple kingbird is more useful. If we were to assume +12 LoD & Double Kingbird Liberation +10 Twin Edge vs. +9 evil marching/robo eyes and a triple kingbird twin edge:
529
35% ranged / +9% atk : (392*135%) + (368*135%*109%) = 1070
20% ranged / +48% boss : (392*120%) + (368*120%*148%) = 1123

About a 5% increase in overall damage (only on bosses) and a large drop on non-boss enemies.

So If you were doing 120,000 damage acid bombs on an MVP and killing it in 3 shots, you'll instead do 126,000 damage and kill it in 3 shots.

I'd stick with the kingbird sword and the evil marching hat. And a more useful mid like black devil mask which may actually make the gap between the two setups even smaller.

Ah! I see! Thank you for such a detailed explanation!!! I really appreciate it! So would the LODH+AK set work better on Suras?

[Kadelia]

its a world better on sura yes, since they don't benefit from archer skeleton card and lod actually works on gfist