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#1 Knightlazarus

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:23 PM

60 SP for a single target attack, is far too high, and HARSHLY hinders the leveling speed of rune knights in general. Before the iRO renewal patch, rune knights had an ability called Clashing Spiral, which was a strong, delayed, 1 target single kill on most monsters needed to level. it costs 30 SP to use. Now that you have thrown Clashing Spiral out the window, I am going to need you to consider what you did in replacing it. It now costs 60 SP instead of 30 SP, for a single target monster kill, which is low exp at high levels. Do you have any idea how bad you crippled rune knight leveling, by making Hundred Spears cost 60 overwhelming SP? Dragonbreath is an Aoe attack, and costs just 75. But you made a SINGLE TARGET skill, cost 60 SP. Now my and other rune knights leveling abilities, have been cut in exactly HALF. You cant expect us to buy expensive blue potions over and over and over. We wouldnt gain any zeny that way. So by leaving hundred spears at 60 SP cost you are crippling rune knight leveling, and need to tone it down to at least 30 or even 40 SP. Please do not overlook this, as it is a major issue. People have been leaving this game the past 5 months and the population in general dropped 25% because of annoyances like these. Most of the balance patch is good, but you already nerfed rune knights enough, so at least lower the cost of hundred spears Asap. It's a fair exchange considering you ruined our HP pool, and made dragonbreath alot less useful. Thank you.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:42 PM

agree, 100spear is useless,CS is more useless now -.-
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:43 PM

HS does better damage, though - and with +9 RWH and nyd mant and SP gear, you should be able to keep it fed with SP. Er, well, no nyd mant cause you need the mora set presumably.

The SP cost is higher than it needs to be, but HS has a lot more going for it than CS, so it should cost more than CS did. Do you have the mora set? Have you seen bellum spear (upcoming)? HS can be made to do some pretty epic damage.


RK is a bit OP if anything after the balance patch. So I don't really have much complaint.

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Edited by DrAzzy, 09 May 2012 - 10:50 PM.

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#4 CeruleanGamer

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:56 AM

Why are you leveling with Hundred Spears? Ignition Break/Dragon Breath is much faster. <_< Heck.... Even Bowling Bash is faster.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:38 PM

60 SP for a single target attack is far too much for a knight class to deal with. It makes leveling alot more inefficient. 30 to 40 sounds perfectly fair. Heimdallr please help out shadow chasers and rune knights. You should really reduce the cost of the sura leveling skills too so that people would want to level up more often. Nobody wants to spend all of their zeny they earn leveling, on blue potions and SP items. Almost all the other classes have a perfectly balanced SP cost. But anyways here is an example, Dragonbreath, an AOE attack, costs 75 SP. A single target attack such as hundred spears just costs way too much.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:50 PM

.......I leveled my sura just fine maybe u doing something wrong..because snb leveling was a cake walk. Or maybe u just a troll..I dunno
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:54 PM

Why don't you use CS if you don't have enough sp for now then switch to HS later on once you are higher lvl.

Also, although DB costs only 75 sp for aoe, it sucks at lower base lvl as well. Personally, I think 60 sp for HS is fair.

A Morpheus set would help as well if u have sp problem.

Edited by NickMKII, 10 May 2012 - 09:54 PM.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:59 PM

RK's have a crappy sp pool
HS costs more than double the cost of CS
be nice if there was a piece of their mora set that reduced their sp cost by like 10%
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:07 PM

Why don't you use CS if you don't have enough sp for now then switch to HS later on once you are higher lvl.

Also, although DB costs only 75 sp for aoe, it sucks at lower base lvl as well. Personally, I think 60 sp for HS is fair.

A Morpheus set would help as well if u have sp problem.

clashing spiral does 7k damage, and is absolutely useless for "leveling" as a rune knight. Rune knights went from single target killing with 30 SP (spiral) to having to use hundred spears Currently 60 SP. Our leveling ability cut in HALF. Simple math.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:11 PM

ur seal -5 sp for HS....and +2% max hp, slotted and enchantable...
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:20 PM

ur seal -5 sp for HS....and +2% max hp, slotted and enchantable...


-5 SP is obviously not even close to enough of a reduction.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:21 PM

60 SP for a single target attack is far too much for a knight class to deal with. It makes leveling alot more inefficient. 30 to 40 sounds perfectly fair. Heimdallr please help out shadow chasers and rune knights. You should really reduce the cost of the sura leveling skills too so that people would want to level up more often. Nobody wants to spend all of their zeny they earn leveling, on blue potions and SP items. Almost all the other classes have a perfectly balanced SP cost. But anyways here is an example, Dragonbreath, an AOE attack, costs 75 SP. A single target attack such as hundred spears just costs way too much.


Are you too poor for ride word or nid garb? blue pots?

don't complain HS is not for leveling. dragon breath is.

and nothing will be done to change the SP.
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#13 Knightlazarus

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:24 PM

Are you too poor for ride word or nid garb? blue pots?

don't complain HS is not for leveling. dragon breath is.

and nothing will be done to change the SP.


All skills are meant for leveling, and pvp. Nid garb is JUNK. Hundred spears does terrible damage without using Ur's manteau. You already know all of this, you're just trying to troll and it's Way too obvious. Your brain is too poor to do it effectively.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:37 PM

All skills are meant for leveling, and pvp... Nid garb is JUNK. Hundred spears does terrible damage without using Ur's manteau. You already know all of this, you're just trying to troll and it's Way too obvious. Your brain is too poor to do it effectively.


Dude, either you are super troll or you just an ass.
Everyone is giving you legitimate advice on how to cope with your sp issues. Instead of complaining either listen and follow their suggestions.

[mod] Zrorieu: Please tone down the language. [/mod]

Edited by zr0rieu, 11 May 2012 - 01:01 AM.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:40 PM

use 2 ur seal. enchant 250sp. get a damn rwh!. use urj rune for sp recovery.
RK should have a decent amount of INT as well.
straws dont cost much.
I'd rather BB mob with rwh then HS single target.
I could get 100k dmg on bio2 mobs, 60 (50) sp is worth it.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:41 PM

I believe there is a rune that lets you regen SP every 10 sec so you don't have to cry that you have no more SP.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:56 PM

ya. urj or abundance. 60sp every 10 sec.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:00 PM

Dude, either you are super troll or you just an ass.
Everyone is giving you legitimate advice on how to cope with your sp issues. Instead of complaining either listen and follow their suggestions.


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Edited by zr0rieu, 11 May 2012 - 01:01 AM.

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#19 Knightlazarus

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:06 PM

use 2 ur seal. enchant 250sp. get a damn rwh!. use urj rune for sp recovery.
RK should have a decent amount of INT as well.
straws dont cost much.
I'd rather BB mob with rwh then HS single target.
I could get 100k dmg on bio2 mobs, 60 (50) sp is worth it.


I don't buy zeny, sorry. not happening.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:14 PM

I don't buy zeny, sorry. not happening.


what dooes that have to do with buyying zenny hunt things and get the items u need to reduce your HS i think its fine the way it is so ......

IM ON A HORSE

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#21 RennaSaintsworth

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:18 PM

I don't buy zeny, sorry. not happening.


Buying Zeny aren't the only way to make money in RO >_>
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:27 PM

Someone lock this topic. There's already one in the suggestions forums by the same guy with nearly identical text for the OP.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:30 PM

I don't buy zeny, sorry. not happening.


wtf dude.
your an RK go kill something.
farm nid, do mora. farm woe 2 dungeons. my guildie is better off than me with just his DB RK for farming, whereas i got all kinds alts to farm but i just cant.
it's all about attitude and effort and your lacking both.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:17 AM

Youre a god damn retard.

I don't buy zeny, sorry. not happening.


Wow. You are definitely playing the wrong game. Resource management is an essential part of playing. People are giving you legitimate advice and all you're doing is just asking for the GM team walk you by the hand. Do Dally Quen and get some woe blue pots, get strawberries/honey, get some int in your stat build, get a rwh; there are so many different ways of approaching this. Hundreds if not thousands of RKs before you have leveled just fine, before even mora set bonus came out. I'm sure you can manage.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:57 AM

[mod] Keep the discussion civil please. [/mod]
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