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#1 Axylus

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 03:47 PM

A ranged Guillotine Fist which consumes 30% of your SP instead of 100%? This skill needs some major nerfing — it's incredibly overpowered.

Edited by richard, 26 March 2012 - 03:19 AM.

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#2 KriztanAlizun

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 03:53 PM

I rattled my brain trying to decrease the dmg from that skill. I won't say it's to OP until I see the rest of my own skills.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 03:54 PM

:wah: Pnuma how dose it work!?
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 03:54 PM

This skill only consumes 20% but requires 30% to cast.
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#5 KriztanAlizun

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:19 PM

This skill only consumes 20% but requires 30% to cast.


It's like we traded "insta gfist" for *ranged gfist*
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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:58 PM

It's livable I was living tons of them on my chaser without anywhere near full gear... you can do it! also pneuma.
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#7 Hrothmund

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 06:16 AM

Its nowhere near as strong as gfist, it is very strong though like a lot of 3rd class skills.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 07:27 AM

Its nowhere near as strong as gfist, it is very strong though like a lot of 3rd class skills.


maybe so, but it cast way faster then fist and it really dont have animation like fist to tell it coming, unless I missed the animation when I test the skill.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 08:00 AM

Has a cast bar too, It's like hiding soul destroyer. Gotta be alert but you can do it!
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 08:57 AM

It's really easy to either pneuma yourself, or hide.
Or just straight tank it.
Keep in mind, siege is also -40% damage, so the testing in pvp where things are 'overpowered' isn't really anything new. (See: Belted EDP SB, belted BB, etc)
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 09:26 AM

@Kairuni:
Keep in mind that these soloer's aren't party buffed or in strings for instant cast aspd spammable Hell's Gate. It is also without KVM weapons or specialized Hell's Gate Build (Yes this skill requires a specific build to maximize just like GF).
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 09:45 AM

Hell Gate takes endow it seems.

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#13 KriztanAlizun

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 09:52 AM

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Edited by KriztanAlizun, 18 September 2010 - 10:08 AM.

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#14 Wanderer

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:43 AM

You are seeing maximum damage there, the closest to death you are the most damage it does.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:49 AM

Agreed, you'll only take maximum damage from Hell Gate from a critical HP Sura. Chances are these will be rare since most Suras won't run around in red HP because they'd get taken out easily. Also factor in the 40% WoE reduction, gear defense, and card reductions. Stack that onto the fact that most classes have higher HP and you'll easily be seeing people live from it with enough HP. Also most AB/Suras will keep Pneuma handy for this sole fact.

Also that type of extreme damage normally will come from a pure Hell Gate build. Most WoE builds will probably have a lower level of Hell Gate in order to get Knuckle Arrow and Gentle Touch-Opposite. Since getting both of these skills means only lvl 5 Rising Dragon and lvl 5 Hell Gate, it's not as OP as you think.

Edited by neokenshin, 18 September 2010 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:58 AM

Hell Gate really isn't one of the skills that bothers me tbh.

Acid Bomb and Clashing Spiral though....

I need Neutral Barrier to last longer. A lot longer.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 04:28 PM

Hell's gate is strong but if you do think of it there's enough ways to counter it.

Royal Guard with a 30k damage ctrl+click per hit on the other hand.....
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 07:36 PM

exceed break is only one hit, unless you mean tao MR or something.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 07:38 PM

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:08 PM

Chick Hat


whats that got to do with the price of fish?
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:12 PM

Person before me said Exceed Break is only one hit, I was pointing out that it's not necessarily true.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:15 PM

well double attack is still one hit, but i see your point. would probably one-shot most people which it goes off.

Just the way they talk about "ctrl-click" normally implies several hits like a crit gx or something

Edited by Hrothmund, 18 September 2010 - 10:16 PM.

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#23 CocaCola

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 10:16 PM

Ahaha kk ignore Snap->Cursed Circle-> Gfist->ygg->rinse wash repeat and focus on the skill blocked easily by numa.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 11:44 PM

Shadow form > all
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